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Needle
2008-10-12, 01:50 AM
Well, idk if this idea already exists or not, but since it's not on the firsts pages, well... I'd like to make a record of it :)

First I'll post the battles I considered and I want to discuss with everyone if they agree or not on the winners. I take into consideration that a KO is a win (even if they finish off their rival or not), as well as fleeing a battle is an automatic lose. This said because you'll find some arguable decisions from my point of view (eg. Belkar KOed Miko and didn't finish her off because it was boring, or too many "rounds" in Elan-Kubota because the later only knew how to escape), and I don't want to express my point of view here, but everyone's opinion about the different battles.

If you feel I should add another battles, just post it. After finishing this, I'd like to make a "Win:Lose Record" for each character.

Dungeon of Dorukan

The Order of the Stick vs. Trigak
Winner: Belkar (by killing Trigak on his flee attemp)

The Order of the Stick vs. Linear Guild

Elan vs. Nale
Winner: Nale (by KOing Elan)

Durkon vs. Hylga
Winner: Sabine (by KOing Durkon)

Haley vs. Sabine
Winner: Haley (Sabine withdrew)

Belkar vs. Yikyik
Winner: Belkar (by killing Yikyik)

Vaarsuvius vs. Zz’dtri
Winners: Mr. Jones and Mr. Rodríguez (by kidnapping Zz’dtri)

Elan vs. Thog
Winner: Elan (by intimidating Thog with Silent Image)

Roy vs. Nale
Winner: Roy (Nale withdrew)

Note: Roy vs. Thog and Elan vs. Nale (2nd Round) were not concluded battles.

The Order of the Stick vs. Xykon
Winner: Roy (by KOing Xykon)

Starmetal Sidequest

The Order of the Stick vs. The Bandits

Haley vs. Samantha
Winner: Samantha (by KOing Haley)

Roy vs. Old Bandit
Winner: Old Bandit (by reflecting a Rhino that fell on Roy)

Haley, Elan, Belkar and Vaarsuvius vs. Samantha
Winner: Samantha (by KOing everyone)

Samantha vs. Old Bandit
Winner: Old Bandit (by KOing Samantha)

Durkon vs. Old Bandit
Winner: Durkon (by KOing Old Bandit)

The Order of the Stick vs. Black Dragon
Winner: Vaarsuvius (by killing the Black Dragon)
Loses: Haley (by being eaten and KOed by the Black Dragon)

Enter the Paladin

Miko vs. Samantha
Winner: Miko (by killing Samantha)

Miko vs. Old Bandit
Winner: Miko (by killing Old Bandit)

The Order of the Stick vs. Miko (Rain Battle)
Winner: Not decided, stopped before any KO (tough Miko should be the moral winner)

The Order of the Stick (except Durkon) vs. Miko (After Inn Battle)
Winner: Miko (by KOing Belkar, Elan, Haley and Vaarsuvius and forcing Roy to withdraw)

Belkar vs. Miko (1st KO)
Winner: Belkar (by KOing Miko)

Belkar vs. Miko (2nd KO)
Winner: Vaarsuvius interrupted (tough Belkar was done, discuss?)

Linear Guild part II

Cliffport Battle

Roy vs. Sabine
Winner: Roy (Sabine withdrew)

Vaarsuvius vs. Leeky
Winner: Leeky (by KOing Vaarsuvius)

Belkar vs. Yokyok
Winner: A Swarm of greedy adventurers (by killing Yokyok)

Elan vs. Nale
Winner: Thog (by KOing Elan)

Durkon vs. Leeky
Winner: Durkon (by forcing Leeky to surrender after the whole OOTS arrived)

Roy vs. Pompey
Winner: Roy (Pompey refused to fight)

Miko vs. Redcloak
Winner: Miko (by KOing Redcloak)

Miko vs. Monster in the Darkness
Winner: MitD (Miko withdrew)

Azure City Battle

Belkar vs. Nale
Winner: Nale (by forcing Belkar to withdraw)

Elan vs. Nale
Winner: Vaarsuvius (by KOing Nale)

Haley vs. Sabine
Winner: Haley (by KOing Sabine)

Elan & Haley vs. Thog
Winner: Durkon (by forcing Thog to withdraw)

Durkon vs. Belkar
Winner: Vaarsuvius (by forcing Belkar to withdraw)

Azure City vs. Xykon Army

Roy, Belkar & Hinjo vs. Miko
Winner: Roy (by KOing Miko)

Roy vs. Xykon
Winner: Xykon (by killing Roy)

Vaarsuvius vs. Death Knight
Winner: Roy (accidentaly dropping Zombie Dragon’s head on Death Knight)

Belkar vs. Eye of Fear and Flame
Winner: Belkar (by “forcing” Eye of Fear and Flame to withdraw)

Hinjo vs. Huecuva
Winner: Durkon (by killing Huecuva)

Battle Inside the Throne Room (vs. alive Paladins)
Winner: Xykon (by killing everyone and paralizing O-Chul)

Priest of The Twelve Gods vs. Redcloak
Winner: Redcloak (by killing the Priest)

Battle Inside the Throne Room (vs. Martyrs of the Sapphire Guild)
Winner: Soon (he forced Xykon and Redcloak to withdraw)

Hinjo vs. Redcloak
Winner: Redcloak (by KOing Hinjo)

Afterwar

Haley, Belkar & co. vs. Tsukiko
Winner: Tsukiko (everyone withdrew)

Elan, Durkon, Vaarsuvius, Therkla & Azurites vs. Qarr
Winner: Not decided
Loser: Qarr (by fleeing after a summon)

Durkon, Vaarsuvius & Azurites vs. Big Red Demon*
Winner: Vaarsuvius (by turning Big Red Demon into stone)

Elan, Kazumi, Daigo & Therkla vs. Kubota & subordinates (1st Round)
Winner: Kubota (by capturing Elan, Kazumi & Daigo)

Elan & Therkla vs. Kubota (2nd Round)
Winner: Elan (Kubota withdrew from him)
Losers: Therkla (killed by Kubota)

Elan vs. Kubota (3rd Round)
Winner: Elan (by capturing Kubota)

*Note: Just to avoid discussion about his monster class and whatever, I picked that name. If you have a better suggestion, let's hear it :)

Let a new chapter on geekiness begin

Sereg
2008-10-12, 03:45 AM
Big Red Demon should probably be Big Red Devil as Qarr is a Devil and therefore not likely to be allied to a demon.

Kurald Galain
2008-10-12, 04:10 AM
Dungeon of Dorukan
You forgot several battles against goblins and ninjas. Or does this only count battles between named parties?

Elan vs Nale round two was clearly won by Elan.


Loses: Haley (by being eaten and KOed by the Black Dragon)
If you want to keep track of that separately, this is not the first time that characters were down in a battle; e.g. V was down in the battle vs Xykon.



The Order of the Stick vs. Miko (Rain Battle)
Winner is clearly Miko.



Belkar vs. Miko (2nd KO)
Winner is clearly Miko, again.



Belkar vs. Yokyok
I'd say that's winner: Belkar, because the way he did it.



Miko vs. Redcloak
Winner: Xykon (by disabling Miko)


Azure City vs. Xykon Army
Hinjo vs. Grand Larceny Dude.
Winner: Belkar.


[spoiler]Haley, Belkar & co. vs. Tsukiko
Perhaps add Tsukiko vs Thanh; winner Tsukiko. Also, Tsukiko and ghouls vs. that other resistance dude; winner Tsukiko. And Haly vs Thanh, winner Haley.



Elan, Durkon, Vaarsuvius, Therkla & Azurites vs. Qarr
Nobody fought Qarr. However, there is Orc Tribe vs The Heroes, winner Orc Tribe.



Elan & Therkla vs. Kubota (2nd Round)
I'd say Therkla vs Kubota (Kubota wins), then Elan vs Kubota (Elan wins).

Studoku
2008-10-12, 05:25 AM
Big Red Demon should probably be Big Red Devil as Qarr is a Devil and therefore not likely to be allied to a demon.
He's also vulnerable to silver rather than cold iron.

factotum
2008-10-12, 06:19 AM
I'd argue that V was more responsible for Trigak's defeat than Belkar was--after all, the creature was already defeated and about to run away purely from V's assault. Just because Belkar dealt the actual killing blow doesn't mean he defeated Trigak.

AKA_Bait
2008-10-12, 09:02 AM
I'd argue that V was more responsible for Trigak's defeat than Belkar was--after all, the creature was already defeated and about to run away purely from V's assault. Just because Belkar dealt the actual killing blow doesn't mean he defeated Trigak.

Indeed Trigak was in fact already fleeing when Belkar killed him.

Also, I agree with Kurald Galain that Redcloak V. Miko should be awarded to Xykon. Either that, or you should at Xykon v. Miko as an additional battle. Winner Xykon, obviously.

hamishspence
2008-10-12, 09:24 AM
Only one demon that I know of is vulnerable to silver, not Cold-iron. Carnage demon from MMV. And looks nothing like the Big Red (probably Devil)

Chronos
2008-10-12, 12:43 PM
In Cliffport, you're missing Roy vs. Kitty (winner Roy, by bisection).

And Haley vs. Tsukiko should be counted as a win for Haley, not Tsukiko: They got the food, freed the slaves, and escaped back to the tunnels, which was their plan all along. Tsukiko failed to stop them. If you want to give Tsukiko some credit for that fight, give her victories over Isamu (killed) and Thanh (dominated).

Blue Ghost
2008-10-12, 04:19 PM
I think it would make more sense if in each battle, the winner was one of the named parties. For example, the battle between Trigak and the OOTS would have the OOTS named as the winner. You can add notes about anyone else who contributed to the victory.

dps
2008-10-12, 10:09 PM
In the Roy vs Sabine fight, she didn't withdraw--she surrendered. And then Roy threw here through a window after she said that he could do anything that he wanted to her.

Oh, and there was a Belkar vs MitD battle, too. Much like with Miko, the MitD didn't even realize that he was being attacked, and Belkar withdrew.

Needle
2008-10-12, 10:30 PM
So many replies. I'm posting to say I'll read it all so I can answer and discuss with everyone and have the best Battle Record :smallwink:

I need a sleep now :smallbiggrin:

Heroic
2008-10-12, 11:58 PM
You forgot the battle in the hex-grid. OotS v. The Witch, in the Starmetal sidequest.

Jorrath_Zek
2008-10-13, 11:12 AM
Priest of The Twelve Gods vs. Redcloak
Winner: Redcloak (by killing the Priest)



Let a new chapter on geekiness begin

I would like to point out that this was later determined to the a victory due to math Skill failure.

Kurald Galain
2008-10-13, 11:53 AM
I think it would make more sense if in each battle, the winner was one of the named parties.

That strikes me as the whole point; frequently, battles are won by somebody who wasn't strictly speaking a participant.

Look up the flash animation battles for 8-bit Theatre: in over half of them, including Thief vs Thief, and Garland vs Forest Imps, the actual winner turns out to be Black Mage.

Kurald Galain
2008-10-13, 11:54 AM
I would like to point out that this was later determined to the a victory due to math Skill failure.

That's not a given. We know that a 21 didn't save, and we don't know that a 22 would have saved. Besides, fait accompli...

Pronounceable
2008-10-13, 02:32 PM
Is it me, or does Miko have the most impressive track record?

gamerboy6000
2008-10-13, 04:07 PM
For Miko vs MitD, Miko didn't withdraw (got sent out the window).

Ronan
2008-10-16, 11:05 AM
Suggestion: Add the links :smallwink:
If you do so, I will add the link to my favorites