Dumbest theory ever

[Green-Shirt Q]

First of all. Yes, this is a serious thread, but please do not mock me anyway.

Anyway, I know this is probably the dumbest theory since "The monster in the darkness is the basturd son of the Snarl and Vaarsuvius" but I was really thinking about this and I want to know what you all think of this.

Do you think Belkar will become good (or less evil) because of what happened in the most recent comic?

I mean, now he's in quite of a lot of discomfort because of his evil actions and he knows it. Might this have some direct effect on his evilness? Might he try to atone for all the evil he's ever done and become a more sympathetic character or something along those lines?

What do you think?

[MReav]

No, I think he's going to be more evil, since he doesn't like being pushed around, and this is a prime example of pushing him around. If he had the curse removed, he'd sell Haley and Celia out in a heartbeat (especially now).

[Heroic]

Yeah, he is and will always be eviller than an offspring of Cruella de ville and Sauron. :smallbiggrin:

And, no. I've seen dumber ideas. This one's not dumb at all.
I remember the "Belkar is Chaotic Good with Evil tendencies" idea. :smallsigh:

[Thant]

Good? Definitely no. More evil? Maybe. What is sure, is that his proto brain will label Haley as hated from now on for letting him suffer some more.

[Mr. Scaly]

I seem to recall that in Origins of the PCS

his first automatic response to accidentally getting hit by his own team mates through his own getting in the way was to attack Elan and V when it was his turn. He'd have turned a non-fatal misunderstanding into massive violence.

Since this is deliberate punishment from Haley, there's no way he'll not take it personally.

[Oregano]

I acually thought this myself, I think he may not become less evil but he become more loyal and less of a leeroy jenkins or something.

[Nidhögg]

I don't think it's likely that he will even consider changing his ways because of this.
He will more likely try to figure out a way to get Haley and Celia for not helping him. :smalltongue:

The only way I can see that would put Belkar on the road to being good, is if someone permanently increases his wisdom (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0058.html). :smallsmile:

[Kris Strife]

Well, maybe he'll raise his wisdom score next? We've already seen what a plus 4 will do for him.

[Evil DM Mark3]

Dumb yes. Dumbest, no. Not by a long shot.

[someonenonotyou]

i hope not ... no i think he woun't he can't untill right befor he dies i think

[ghost_warlock]

I don't see Belkar as turning good.

I could totally see him dying (as is foretold (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0572.html)) and becoming undead, though. What happens next would depend on whether he's turned into an undead by another character or somehow does it by himself (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LikeABadassOutOfHell). :smallamused:

[Linkavitch]

He could, but it's unlikely. He's more likely to be ticked off at Haley then actually start being good.

[B.I.T.T.]

I have a theory, but I'd like to conveniently withhold that theory until such time as the question is answered by the plot development of the comic in question. Thus allowing me to change that theory upon revelation of the answer and appear to be more precogniscent then I really am.

[[TS] Shadow]

Although Belkar is evil, he still has some sort of loyalty to the rest of the order. While I wouldn't put it past him to betray the party, they have a symbiotic relationship. The Order brings Belkar into situations where a lot of stabbing can take place, and the Order can channel the stabbyness into something productive.

However, I don't see Belkar betraying the party for one reason. Look at strip 570. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0570.html) Belkar, instead of threating Haley's life, was desprate, begging to stay. He WANTED to be in the Order, heal Roy, and kill things with them. The fact is that Belkar would be alone without the Order (with Mr. Scruffy of course. That cat is gonna do something important, I know it,) and nobody, not even Belkar wants that.

[Kish]

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However, I don't see Belkar betraying the party for one reason. Look at strip 570. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0570.html) Belkar, instead of threating Haley's life, was desprate, begging to stay. He WANTED to be in the Order, heal Roy, and kill things with them.
He wanted them to help him because he knew he was effectively incapacitated. He didn't want to be booted out and left to fend for himself with his activated Mark of Justice. Threatening Haley's life would have been extraordinarily stupid under the circumstances--if she had taken it seriously, she would simply have killed him. Two strips earlier, being that bothered by Haley telling him he was no longer a member of the Order might have meant he cared about them. In that one? Nah.

[[TS] Shadow]

Belkar has always been a bit more...less stabby...with Haley than with any other party member. Ever since the begining, (like when she stole his potion) Belkar has had a wierd sort of "I'm not gonna get mad at you" respect for her. (This can be due to Haley being on the "lust" list.) I don't think that he'd betray Haley, espescally if she tells the cleric to take off the Mark.

[zuzak]

"You make a persuasive argument. And by that, I mean there are more of you are using that to coerce me into obeying your moral code."
-125 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0125.html)

It's not going to change him, but he might change his behavior to gain favor from the others.

[Greep]

eh, judging by the theories in this forum, if this was the dumbest one I would be too busy being blinded by stupidity for me to typing this.

Then again, I'm the one who came up with the MitD is a pokemon and still believes in it.

Edit: actually, judging by how sick he is, he may not even remember the whole thing anyways haha. So much for the whole morality business eh?

[David Argall]

As noted, the idea has far too much competition to be the dumbest suggested around here.

And under certain circumstances it is even possible.
We need a way for Belkar to bite it. So it's not impossible to have him turn good, and immediate get killed as a result.

[ghost_warlock]

As noted, the idea has far too much competition to be the dumbest suggested around here.

And under certain circumstances it is even possible.
We need a way for Belkar to bite it. So it's not impossible to have him turn good, and immediate get killed as a result.

I don't really see the spoiler'd scenario happening, since that's fairly conventional (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedemptionEqualsDeath) and Rich seems to enjoy subverting these kinds of tropes.

Then again, since we know that Rich loves subverting tropes, maybe he'll play this one straight just to mess with us.

Then again, Rich probably realizes that we're expecting him to pull this on us from time to time, so maybe he'll end up subverting it anyway!

Arrrgh! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VizziniGambit)

[Raging Gene Ray]

Do you think Belkar will become good (or less evil) because of what happened in the most recent comic?

Stupid theory? You call that a stupid theory? THAT actually has a chance of happening. Belkar could steal a Tome of Clear Thought or whatever book boosts Wisdom from the Temple of Loki...or he could just learn to feel something like guilt in his curse-induced delirium. My sig is less likely than that. Heck, the baseline (http://www.timecube.org/) for stupid theories is less likely than that. Stop degrading yourself and admit it: your idea is actually plausible.

[Psychomancer]

I've always figured that Belkar is more or less an engine that converts violence into comedy, and any actual development could disrupt the violence/funny ratio. He's like that whiny player who can't even play checkers without trying to twink, but you can't kick out of the group because the rest of the players think he's funny.

[dish]

He wanted them to help him because he knew he was effectively incapacitated. He didn't want to be booted out and left to fend for himself with his activated Mark of Justice. Threatening Haley's life would have been extraordinarily stupid under the circumstances--if she had taken it seriously, she would simply have killed him. Two strips earlier, being that bothered by Haley telling him he was no longer a member of the Order might have meant he cared about them. In that one? Nah.

I think there have been signs that Belkar does NOT wish to go solo. At all. An early sign would be the one given here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0042.html). A later, and more obvious one, is the obvious shock he shows here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0483.html). Belkar takes much longer to come to terms with being left behind than Haley does.

We know that Belkar is very fond of Elan, and we know that he originally needed to the order to (OotPCs very mild spoiler) get him out of the town quickly with a heavily armed group,
but I think there is something else holding him to them. I think he's scared of being left alone.

[Theodoriph]

I seem to recall that in Origins of the PCS

his first automatic response to accidentally getting hit by his own team mates through his own getting in the way was to attack Elan and V when it was his turn. He'd have turned a non-fatal misunderstanding into massive violence.

Since this is deliberate punishment from Haley, there's no way he'll not take it personally.


You're recalling the circumstances wrong. That was a case of a party using readied actions. Since the kobold did not act as expected (decided to walk instead of charge), everything got screwed up and Belkar and V ended up attacking their teammates...they didn't have a choice in the matter. Readied actions go off when the reasonable circumstances you impose on them occur. That's the whole joke in that strip.

[factotum]

Given that his only reaction to being told that he'd activated his MoJ by killing someone was "I didn't even get to enjoy it", I'm amazed that anyone could think he's going to turn even the slightest fraction toward Good...

[Sylphy]

There was a V and Snarl having a bastard child theory? Link please!