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Greg
2008-11-11, 11:17 AM
I was looking for a gish-type prestige class - like the eldritch knight. However, I wanted the prereq's to come from a warlock and advance eldritch blast. Are there any classes that would let me do this? I could just alter eldritch knight, but I wanted to see if there was another way.

RagnaroksChosen
2008-11-11, 11:48 AM
I was looking for a gish-type prestige class - like the eldritch knight. However, I wanted the prereq's to come from a warlock and advance eldritch blast. Are there any classes that would let me do this? I could just alter eldritch knight, but I wanted to see if there was another way.

Don't have my books right now but I belive it works as writen any PRC that has a +1 to caster works with warlock.


Edit: can't remember if
Spells:
Able to cast 3rd-level arcane spells.
Will allow a warlock to qualify

RMS Oceanic
2008-11-11, 11:51 AM
From Complete Mage, you have two options:

Eldritch Disciple - Dual progression of Invocations/Divine Magic, can gain a Healing Invocation
Eldritch Theruge - Dual progression of Invocations/Arcane Magic, can apply some arcane spells to Eldritch Blast.

And a paladin-esque prestige class for Warlocks as well.

Oops, you're not doing what I thought you were doing. Complete Arcane's Prestige Class section has a blurb at the start explaining warlocks.

ShneekeyTheLost
2008-11-11, 12:24 PM
I was looking for a gish-type prestige class - like the eldritch knight. However, I wanted the prereq's to come from a warlock and advance eldritch blast. Are there any classes that would let me do this? I could just alter eldritch knight, but I wanted to see if there was another way.

Here is your problem, and one that I have railed against myself:

Warlocks are an arcane casting class. Any PrC that gives + Arcane Caster Level will progress Warlocks in both Eldrich Blast and their Invocation progression.

HOWEVER

Warlocks DO NOT CAST SPELLS! Thus they cannot qualify for any PrC requiring the ability to cast x level spells!

They MAY qualify for any PrC that says x levels of arcane spellcasting class.

My suggestion: Ask your GM if you can HOUSERULE that if you can cast Eldrich Blast of xd6, then you can cast x level spells. That means you can cast 3rd level spells when you get a 3d6 Eldrich Blast, or level 5, which seems balanced to me.

Greg
2008-11-11, 12:30 PM
Don't have my books right now but I belive it works as writen any PRC that has a +1 to caster works with warlock.


Edit: can't remember if
Spells:
Able to cast 3rd-level arcane spells.
Will allow a warlock to qualify
RAW that is not the case, and in fact is forbidden. I quote page 18 of CArc "A Warlock cannot qualify for prestige classes with spellcasting level requirements, as he never actually learns to cast spells. However, prestige classes with caster level requirements, such as acolyte of the skin, are well suited to the warlock. A warlock's caster level for his invocations fulfils this requirement."

So if the pre-req was caster level 5, the warlock would qualify.

EDIT - heh. I am the GM. I was just wondering if there were any other gish type classes for the warlock. I can refluff EK if I have to.

Paul H
2008-11-11, 01:14 PM
Hi

Been looking through few of my books, but most PrC's that accept CL not Sell Level, only increase CL for spells known. (You only have Spell -like abilities).

Best I can see is Eldritch Disciple, it requires at least 3 lvls of Cleric, but can be done. Just choose a combat orientated Chaotic God & you're in.

Here's one example: (Note I don't have the book with 'Eldritch Glaive').

Human Cleric 3(Kord; Strength & Luck), Warlock 2, Eld Disc 5

Strength Domain has good combat spells, Luck allows a reroll 1/day (Competition is good alternative to Luck)

1) Cleric: Pwr Attack, Cleave
2) Cleric:
3) Cleric: Divine Vigor (DW - bonus HP & movement)
4) Warlock: (Invoc. See the Unseen)
5) Warlock: Detect Magic, (Invoc Spiderwalk)
6) EK: Gift of Patron - Wild Frenzy, Practiced Spellcaster (Cleric)
7) EK: (Invoc Hideous Blow)
8) EK:
9) EK: Gift of Patron - Healing Blast (Invoc 1 of; Brimstone, Flight, Swimming Styx or Walk Unseen), Practiced Spellcaster (Warlock)
10) EK: Eldritch Spellweave.

BAB is 6/1
Base Saves 8/3/11
Spells as 7th lvl Cleric (CL 10)
Turn Undead as 8th lvl Cleric
Invocations as 7th lvl Warlock (But CL 10 for 5D6 dam)
HD: 3D8+2D6+5D8

You can use Turn Undead to convert Eldritch into Healing (Healing Blast) or add bonus to hit/damage (Wild Frenzy) with melee wpns or Blasts. You can also make standard attack to channel blast through melee wpn (Hideous Blow for 5D6 dam).

Cleric spells can negate your poor BAB/AC. Ice Axe (Clr 3, SpC) is touch attack for 2D12 Cold dam. Add 5D6 Blast.... etc, etc. I'd take the Fly evocation for obvious reasons. (You can take Brimstone Blast next lvl). I'd also swap out Spiderclimb for Entropic Warding.

Cheers
Paul H

Kaiyanwang
2008-11-12, 03:09 AM
As a DM, I would allow you to enter EK the time you can cast invocation with a level equivalent to 3 in their entry.

Tokiko Mima
2008-11-12, 04:44 AM
Hellfire Warlock (FC2), Eldritch Theurge (CM) and Eldritch Disciple (CM) are the three classes I can think of offhand that do exactly as you described.

Also of interest to you might be Uncanny Trickster (CScoundrel) and Legacy Champion (WoL) as they advance existing class features, which Eldritch Blast is if you're a warlock.

Any +1 arcane spellcasting class or +1 spellcasting class advances Warlock IF you meet the requirements. If it says 'Able to cast X-level spells' then you don't qualify. Yeah, I know it's super annoying that most PrC's say exactly that.

Here's a great guide by Thinblade (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=751117).

Starbuck_II
2008-11-12, 08:10 AM
I was looking for a gish-type prestige class - like the eldritch knight. However, I wanted the prereq's to come from a warlock and advance eldritch blast. Are there any classes that would let me do this? I could just alter eldritch knight, but I wanted to see if there was another way.

You could take 5 wizard levels.

It gives you a bonuses feat. Take something like Conjurer specialist (Abjur Jaunt for some teleporting protection).

Then once you qualify at level Warlock 1/Fighter 1/Wizard 5 you choose to advance only Warlock progression.
This will advance Eldritch Blast and invocations gained.

Greg
2008-11-12, 08:37 AM
Thanks for the input - think I'm going to end up homebrewing this though - especially since I'm aiming to do this through barbarian.

Burley
2008-11-12, 09:49 AM
As a DM, I would allow you to enter EK the time you can cast invocation with a level equivalent to 3 in their entry.

Cold Comfort is a least invocation, available at 1st level. Are there any prereqs other than that? Or is 2nd level okay? :smalltongue:

In my opinion, if you want a Gish, just put a lot of focus on Eldritch Glaive. Is powerful man. Good Powerful. Weapon Focus (Eldritch Blast) and stuff make it better.
If gestalt, Warlock//Fighter gives full-bab and tons of options to pimp out your damage.