PDA

View Full Version : "Let go of me" spell?



chrek
2008-11-16, 07:23 PM
I know I read this spell, and had it on one of my previous spell casters, does anyone know what book this spell is in?

Thurbane
2008-11-16, 07:24 PM
Grease? Freedom of Movement? Fire Shield?

Behold_the_Void
2008-11-16, 07:26 PM
This one, perchance? (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/spells/letGoOfMe.htm)

monty
2008-11-16, 07:26 PM
At first I thought you were talking about Freedom of Movement, but then I remembered a spell actually called that. It's an epic spell, and you can find it here (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/spells/letGoOfMe.htm).

Edit: Curse you, ninjas!
Edit 2: How hypocritical of me.

Edea
2008-11-16, 07:27 PM
"Let Go Of Me" is from the Epic Level Handbook (it's an epic spell, obviously).

chrek
2008-11-16, 07:42 PM
I was sure there was a lower level of "Let go of me" that a non-epic spell caster could cast...I'm fairly sure it wasn't in an OGL book, but I've looked through the ones I can think of and can't find it.

Mewtarthio
2008-11-16, 09:53 PM
Side note: Seriously, an epic spell that just casts disintigrate on someone grappling you and does half the damage to you as well? That's what they expected epic casters would be spending their lifetimes researching? "At long last, I am strong enough to challenge the gods themselves! Mere mortals tremble at my feet! Now, to retire to my private sanctum, where I shall manipulate the weave to create an arcane act most wondrous and terrible: A spell that will seriously hurt me but also hurts the guy touching me!"

Icewalker
2008-11-16, 09:59 PM
I believe the 10d6 backlash is just an option if you want to lower the DC by 10, which is really unnecessary for an epic level spellcaster for a DC 40 or so.

rayne_dragon
2008-11-16, 10:00 PM
I think you might be for "Touch Me Not" from the Book of Erotic Fantasy :smallredface:, page 116, lower right hand corner. It's a second level spell.

Gamiress
2008-11-17, 02:52 AM
I think you might be for "Touch Me Not" from the Book of Erotic Fantasy :smallredface:, page 116, lower right hand corner. It's a second level spell.

I love the BoEF, so many people are squeamish to pick it up without realizing how wicked some of the stuff in there is. Kiss Of Life is an awesome spell, especially when cast by a half naked tribal sorcerer on the lady monk he has an agonizing crush on.

My room mates are utterly fascinated by the artwork though. They once jimmied the lock on my bedroom so they could pass the book around at a party.

Sstoopidtallkid
2008-11-17, 02:59 AM
I love the BoEF, so many people are squeamish to pick it up without realizing how wicked some of the stuff in there is. Kiss Of Life is an awesome spell, especially when cast by a half naked tribal sorcerer on the lady monk he has an agonizing crush on.It is a very good book, I just never use it because of my group. Though I did pull it out when we needed how Kobold society viewed abortion.
My room mates are utterly fascinated by the artwork though. They once jimmied the lock on my bedroom so they could pass the book around at a party.The artwork in the book is horrid, in all honesty. Why didn't they just commission artists? It would have been a great chance to see artists who haven't drawn for D&D before.

Gamiress
2008-11-17, 03:05 AM
The artwork in the book is horrid, in all honesty. Why didn't they just commission artists? It would have been a great chance to see artists who haven't drawn for D&D before.

I agree with you there, the photomanips are bad in a "what has been seen cannot be unseen" sort of way. Still, there's quite a bit of nudity. The youngest person in this house is 17. The oldest is 23. It's inevitable that they will steal the book.

Tsotha-lanti
2008-11-17, 06:09 AM
My room mates are utterly fascinated by the artwork though. They once jimmied the lock on my bedroom so they could pass the book around at a party.

They don't have Internet access, huh?

Shhalahr Windrider
2008-11-17, 11:57 AM
Side note: Seriously, an epic spell that just casts disintigrate on someone grappling you and does half the damage to you as well?
Not even disintegrate, which at epic levels does 40d6 damage. (Though I suppose it does do more damage on a successful save.)

And, of course, any epic level threat that uses grappling should be able to make the save and be okay even if it took full damage. So, more often than not, the spell doesn't even live up to its name.


I believe the 10d6 backlash is just an option if you want to lower the DC by 10, which is really unnecessary for an epic level spellcaster for a DC 40 or so.
No, that's one ofthe mitigators that was used to make it only DC 43 in the first place. If you wanted to develop the spell without the mitigator, it would be DC 53.

Yeah, the Epic Level Caster would probably be better served with Eschew Materials, quickened stilled freedom of movement, and any Will Save or Lose spell of his or her choice. No epic spell slots needed, and actually does something worthwhile against a beefy grappler.

MeklorIlavator
2008-11-17, 12:04 PM
Or just a Ring of Freedom of Movement. At epic levels 40,000 gp really isn't an issue.

Shhalahr Windrider
2008-11-17, 02:08 PM
Yeah, that too. Plus that would prevent you from being grappled in the first place.

But if you had good reason to have your ring slots filled with other rings at the time you got grappled, the above is still better than this so-called epic spell. :smallwink:

Behold_the_Void
2008-11-17, 02:19 PM
It seems to be the trend with most epic spells, really. They just aren't practical to cast.

Emperor Tippy
2008-11-17, 02:24 PM
It seems to be the trend with most epic spells, really. They just aren't practical to cast.

Very few of the premade ones are. Epic Spell Reflection is about it, and even that could use some changes. Epic Mage Armor needs a permanent duration.

Behold_the_Void
2008-11-17, 02:34 PM
Very few of the premade ones are. Epic Spell Reflection is about it, and even that could use some changes. Epic Mage Armor needs a permanent duration.

...

Yeah, that's what I meant. Tippy's got it.

monty
2008-11-17, 04:38 PM
I'd like to nominate Nailed to the Sky as well, because it's just fun to use.

dragonhand
2008-12-14, 07:44 PM
fireball if you have fire resistance maybe.

Aaronski
2008-12-15, 12:10 AM
I personally prefer something a little more creative. I play in a campaign where there's a lot of... mistrust amongst the party members. I, the wizard, spend a good chunk of my cash, time and xp planning contingencies for if/when I'm ever stabbed in the back.

One of the PCs is a minotaur who specialises in grappling. Seriously, he's grappled hydras and dragons. I don't even think my squishy wizard has a grapple modifier. So, I have a set of robes which, when I'm grappled, instantly make me assume gaseous form, then blast me a few hundred feet into the air (via gust of wind).

From there, I just dismiss the gaseous form and either fly or feather fall while raining fiery death down on my puglisitic pal. The best part is that, far from being an epic spell, they only cost me $3500 to make.

Robes of the Snagglepuss. You can probably guess what the command words are :smalltongue:

RS14
2008-12-15, 12:17 AM
In defense of Let go of Me, it is a free action. You can cast it as many times as you can prepare it.

monty
2008-12-15, 12:22 AM
In defense of Let go of Me, it is a free action. You can cast it as many times as you can prepare it.

So you can kill yourself even faster? Yay!

Shadowbane
2008-12-15, 12:22 AM
Personally, I don't like it so much. On the other hand, it *is* cool because I can just imagine someone screaming that and unleashing pure destructive force. :\

But then again, I'm not a fan of many epic spells. I like Dreamscape, Nailed to the Sky (so much overkill), Ruin/Greater Ruin, and Epic Spell Reflection.

That's about it.

monty
2008-12-15, 12:27 AM
On the other hand, if you have Epic Spellcasting, anything capable of even getting close enough to grapple you is probably going to kill you anyway.

Shadowbane
2008-12-15, 12:30 AM
Which is why I never bother getting that spell. I get myself Epic Mage Armor, Epic Spell Reflection, and Epic Repulsion.

Oh, and since we are on the topic of spells like this, am I the only one who doesn't like Vengeful Gaze of God? I certainly hope not.

monty
2008-12-15, 12:37 AM
Which is why I never bother getting that spell. I get myself Epic Mage Armor, Epic Spell Reflection, and Epic Repulsion.

Oh, and since we are on the topic of spells like this, am I the only one who doesn't like Vengeful Gaze of God? I certainly hope not.

You mean the 200d6 backlash (how many casters can reasonably hope to survive 700 average)?

Shadowbane
2008-12-15, 12:44 AM
Yes. Why is that there? Why? Why in the nine hells would I use that spell?

Winged One
2008-12-15, 12:55 AM
Yes. Why is that there? Why? Why in the nine hells would I use that spell?

You really need something dead quickly and your cleric friend has True Ressurection prepared?

Shadowbane
2008-12-15, 01:01 AM
I suppose? Wait...does Contingent Resurrection work with VGoG? Even if it does though, I'm not interested in losing a level. =.=

Jasdoif
2008-12-15, 01:02 AM
You mean the 200d6 backlash (how many casters can reasonably hope to survive 700 average)?How many casters have the +409 modifier on Spellcraft checks needed to make the check reliably? The two might have some common factor in the number of class levels needed.

Now, the real question: On a successful save, the target takes about 534 damage on average. Meaning you take more damage than your target does if it passes the save.

What? Anything that has enough hit points to survive the failed save's average 1067-ish damage probably has enough hit dice to have a gigantic epic save bonus, meanwhile your save DC is still 20 + key ability mod + any bonuses.

And that's without touching that it's subject to spell resistance.



You really need something dead quickly and your cleric friend has True Ressurection prepared?The thing there is, you still lose a level if you're killed by backlash damage.
If backlash damage kills a caster, no spell or method exists that will return life to the caster’s body without costing the caster a level—not even wish, true resurrection, miracle, or epic spells that return life to the deceased. Spells that normally penalize the recipient one level when they return him or her to life penalize a caster killed by backlash two levels.

Eldariel
2008-12-15, 01:02 AM
Or you've made an Epic Spell that grants +50 Con permanently. Standard fare on epic, and already on level 21, that's 525 extra HP. You've got 170 base. Get 50 temporary HP and you're fine (ok, not fine, but alive). Then a contingent Super Heal 'Cause Normal Heal Sucks That Heals Me 1000 HP triggers and you're back to full.

That said, of course the spell still sucks, but at least a level 21 character can rather easily survive its casting (now that I think about it, a contingent Revivify followed by contingent super heal would be more reasonable, evading the need for +50 Con).

monty
2008-12-15, 01:03 AM
I suppose? Wait...does Contingent Resurrection work with VGoG? Even if it does though, I'm not interested in losing a level. =.=

Couldn't you just get a regular True Resurrection? 25k is trivial at epic levels.

Dairun Cates
2008-12-15, 01:05 AM
You mean the 200d6 backlash (how many casters can reasonably hope to survive 700 average)?

Delay Death and a Cleric Buddy with Mass Heal. Then all you need to do is convince your GM that that stupid feat from dragon magazine that allows you to replace your int modifier for your con modifier for determining HP and buff your int modifier to at least a +20 or so. Then you should survive it if you're at max hp. It's not THAT hard to get a 50 int, right?

Or... I suppose you could immediately drown after casting.

Shadowbane
2008-12-15, 01:06 AM
@Eladariel: I did that. I was surprised at how nicely it worked out, actually.

Aha, glad someone dug out the thing about backlash damage. It is my number one reason I hate VGoG *so* much. I'd rather just take a longer time to kill things by using an extended time stop, then whatever spell I need. :\

quick_comment
2008-12-15, 02:05 AM
VgoG is useless.

If you are willing to kill yourself, you can make an infinitely powerful epic spell, by having infinity d6 damage. (You can even do that, + delay death, drown yourself and then heal)

Whats really need, is that a DC 0 spell can be created and cast instantaneously.

Ie,
Party is losing battle against BBEG
Wizard: I take 500000d6 damage to cast a quickened death seedx500 + dispel seed. Dispel seed dispels everything below caster level 100000 and the death seeds require the bbeg to make 500 DC 1000 fort saves or be destroyed. Final DC is 0, so it costs me no gp, no xp (except for that level) and I make it instantly.
BBEG: Dies


Or:
Party: We dont like our CE wizard. We bind and gag him and bring him to the temple of pelor to face judgement.
Wizard: **** you all. I cast a quickened, silent, stilled epic spell. It does a billion damage to anyone and everything within ten thousand miles of me. It also ressurects me (-1 level) after I die. Oh, also a seed to make me a new plane. I think I broke this one. I take a trillion damage.

monty
2008-12-15, 02:16 AM
...except there's a cap on backlash damage. WotC isn't quite that stupid.

Dairun Cates
2008-12-15, 02:40 AM
...except there's a cap on backlash damage. WotC isn't quite that stupid.

But they are willingly to make that cap at LEAST 200d6.

monty
2008-12-15, 02:47 AM
But they are willingly to make that cap at LEAST 200d6.

According to the SRD, the cap is 2 x caster HD. So, you'd need to be at least level 100 to cast that (I suppose that makes some sense, what with the spellcraft DC 419 and all), at which point it's trivial damage against most serious threats. Aren't the example spells amazing?

Dairun Cates
2008-12-15, 04:43 AM
According to the SRD, the cap is 2 x caster HD. So, you'd need to be at least level 100 to cast that (I suppose that makes some sense, what with the spellcraft DC 419 and all), at which point it's trivial damage against most serious threats. Aren't the example spells amazing?

I dunno. Epic Spell-casting is BS in a way anyway because it completely over-shadows the minor things any other class gets. Where's my Barbarian Rage that adds a +100 to strength and Con?

Sstoopidtallkid
2008-12-15, 04:47 AM
I dunno. Epic Spell-casting is BS in a way anyway because it completely over-shadows the minor things any other class gets. Where's my Barbarian Rage that adds a +100 to strength and Con?Epic Spellcasting was originally supposed to be expensive and non-combat only so it would boost the team as much as the individual Wizard. But the modifiers are too expensive for normal games unless you create an infinite loop, in which case the system breaks.

Kaiyanwang
2008-12-15, 06:31 AM
In my last Epic campaign, I found a viable way to use the Epic Seeds: XP cost + XP reagents from DMG. Needs mature player and wise paranoid DM