goram.browncoat
2008-11-19, 04:26 AM
Certain feats give will-save effects.
For example: Mark of Nessus from Fiendish codex II has opponents make a willsave or they have to targe their attacks at something else.
Firghtfull presence (as a feat from drac or as an (ex) from core) has the ability to do an AoE fear/shaken on a will save.
What i'm wondering: Since these things are not mentioned in their description as being minde-affecting, is it safe to assume they work on mind-affecting immune creatures so long as they are not immune to the produced effect?
For example: A devil with the mark of nessus and frightful presences fights a construct of some kind. Is the construct immune to both effects because it is immune to mind affecting, or only to the frightfull presence because it is immune to fear?
Maybe this is a silly obvious question but I'm not very familiar with the monster side of DnD, having spent most of my time as a player. So there could be something I'm missing.
I would appreciate input on both RAW and RAI, but please indicate which of these two you are making a statement towards. I guess the question for mark of nessus boils down to "Is a compulsion anything that smells like one or only what is mentioned to be one".
For example: Mark of Nessus from Fiendish codex II has opponents make a willsave or they have to targe their attacks at something else.
Firghtfull presence (as a feat from drac or as an (ex) from core) has the ability to do an AoE fear/shaken on a will save.
What i'm wondering: Since these things are not mentioned in their description as being minde-affecting, is it safe to assume they work on mind-affecting immune creatures so long as they are not immune to the produced effect?
For example: A devil with the mark of nessus and frightful presences fights a construct of some kind. Is the construct immune to both effects because it is immune to mind affecting, or only to the frightfull presence because it is immune to fear?
Maybe this is a silly obvious question but I'm not very familiar with the monster side of DnD, having spent most of my time as a player. So there could be something I'm missing.
I would appreciate input on both RAW and RAI, but please indicate which of these two you are making a statement towards. I guess the question for mark of nessus boils down to "Is a compulsion anything that smells like one or only what is mentioned to be one".