Vote Up A Villain V: Epic! [Voting Closed, Villain Complete!]

[afroakuma]

Here for a fifth round, it's time to ramp up the power! This contest aims to create a D&D villain, complete with fluff! Please bold your vote.

I am pleased to present the resulting epic villain, the Silver Hellstar (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5453448#post5453448)! Also, its related dungeon (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5467812#post5467812), readied for campaign use (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5498143#post5498143)!

Contests that have gone before (or are currently running):
Vote Up a Monster (3.X) #1 by Zeta Kai
Result: the Gatekeeper

Vote Up a Monster (3.X) #2 by Zeta Kai
Result: the Deus ex Machina

Vote Up a Monster (3.X) #3 by Zeta Kai
Result: the Ectoplasmic Swarm

Vote Up a Monster (3.X) #4 by Zeta Kai
Result: the Polymental

Vote Up a Monster (4E) #1 by Shadow_Elf
Result: the Songbird Spirit

Vote Up a Monster (4E) #2 by Shadow_Elf
Result: Pending

Vote Up a Villain (3.X) #1 by afroakuma
Result: the Maiden’s Weeping/Swain of Varrone

Vote Up a Villain (3.X) #2 by afroakuma
Result: the Caillteanas

Vote Up a Villain (3.X) #3 by afroakuma
Result: Dandag the Quiet

Vote Up a Villain (3.X) #4 by afroakuma
Result: the Augmoha

Vote Up A Campaign Setting by Zeta Kai, Shadow_Elf and afroakuma (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96183)
Result: Pending



Currently Voting On: Voting Closed, Villain Complete

1. Type: Construct


{table=head]Type|Votes
Aberration|2
Animal|
Construct|12
Dragon|
Elemental|2
Fey|
Giant|1
Humanoid|
Magical Beast|5
Monstrous Humanoid|
Ooze|
Outsider|
Plant|1
Undead|
Vermin|1
[/table]

2. Race/Species: Unique (geometric)
Vote for any construct monster from any 3.X WotC source with a CR of 30 or less. The current table contains only constructs from the Monster Manual and Epic Level Handbook. If you vote for a creature in another source, please list that source with your vote.

{table=head]Construct Type|Votes
Adamantine Golem (Epic)|1
Anaxim (Epic)|
Animated Object|
Clay Golem|
Flesh Colossus (Epic)|
Flesh Golem|
Homonculus|1
Iron Golem|
Kolyarut|
Marut|
Mithral Golem (Epic)|
Retriever|
Shield Guardian|1
Stone Colossus (Epic)|
Stone Golem|
Unique (geometric)|16
Unique (humanoid)|1
Unique (juggernaut)|2
Unique (zoomorphic)|15
Zelekhut|
[/table]


2b. Class: Artificier
You may vote for other classes, but please bear in mind that certain classes have been disallowed. Non-core classes are italicized.

{table=head]Class|Votes|Class|Votes
Artificier|14|Ninja (new)|
Barbarian||Paladin|
Bard|2|Psion|
Beguiler|1|Psychic Warrior|
Cleric|3|Ranger|
Crusader||Rogue|1
Druid|4|Samurai (new)|
Duskblade||Scout|
Favored Soul||Sorcerer|
Fighter||Swordsage|1
Healer||Warblade|
Hexblade||Warlock|4
Matador (new)|2|Wilder|
Marshal||Wizard|
Monk||None|
[/table]

3. High CR: 30

{table=head]CR|Votes
16|2
17|
18|
19|
20|
21|5
22|1
23|
24|1
25|1
26|
27|
28|
29|1
30|16
[/table]

4. Alignment: Neutral Good

{table=head]Alignment|Votes|Alignment|Votes|Alignment|Votes
Lawful Good|1|Neutral Good|16|Chaotic Good|4
Lawful Neutral|15|Neutral|1|Chaotic Neutral|1
Lawful Evil|1|Neutral Evil|1|Chaotic Evil|
[/table]

5. Primary Motivation: Self-Loathing

{table=head]Motivation|Votes
Anarchy|
Arrogance|
Curiosity|
Depression|
Entertainment|4
Envy|
Greater good|1
Greed|
Hunger|
Insanity|
Justice|
Logic|1
Love|
Malevolence|
Order|1
Punch-clock villainy|3
Rage|
Revenge|
Selfishness|
Self-loathing|11
Spite|9
Survival|1
[/table]

[starwoof]

My vote is for Undead!

EDIT: No wait, elemental.

[Lord_Gareth]

Construct people, construct. There aren't enough interesting constructs - hell, the best I've seen is the Force Golem. Where's the love?

[Owrtho]

I'll go with Construct. Why? Cuz I find Lord_Gareth's argument unconvincing.

Owrtho

[Reath]

I vote for Elemental again.

I still want a giant sand elemental to sweep over cities and return entire nations into the desert. <.< >.>

[Mewtarthio]

I'm going to go with Construct. An epic construct should definitely be interesting. I reserve the right to change my vote to Aberration (my close second) if it looks like that's more likely to win.

[Raroy]

A plant Villain.

[Lord_Gareth]

Someone link this poor poster to the first villain, please.

Say Afro, what about removing already-selected types for a certain amount of rotation - like, say, 4 contests - so we don't get unnecessary repeats?

[RS14]

I vote for Magical Beast.

[Mercenary Pen]

Go for construct I think.

[mikeejimbo]

I was going to say humanoid, but I think I'll have to jump on the construct bandwagon.

Humanoid's been done anyway. (And by that I mean in general, not necessarily this contest. Thought I should clarify)

[Limos]

I'll vote for Construct too, I was considering voting for Elemental just to tie things up. But in all seriousness I don't like elementals and Constructs are more interesting.

I want a really weird one though, it has to be made out of something really weird. Like Uranium, or the Dreams of Children.

[DracoDei]

Why haven't you included the "Don't vote up a monster" monsters in your cross referencing list?

Also I vote Giant

[blackspeeker]

Someone link this poor poster to the first villain, please.
So because plant already won once before means it should never be voted for again?


aberration

[cha0s4a11]

Construct, hopefully made from a combination of sunshine and farts.

[Reverent-One]

construct, maybe it will win this time.

[bue52]

Well, I think a Magical beast would be nice, is a given and I like it notheless.

[Eloel]

Of course Vermin

[Limos]

I just thought of something more specific I want to see.

A Neutral Good Construct made from the Sand that gives Horrific Nightmares to Evil Aligned PC's.

Mr. Sandman, bring me a dream (bung, bung, bung, bung)


Once we get around to alignment I know what I'm voting for. At least it wouldn't be one of the corners. Everyone is always a corner alignment, lawful good, Chaotic Evil. No one is ever Neutral Good or Chaotic Neutral or the like.

[Owrtho]

Curse you limos. Your mention of sand just made me want to see an hourglass construct, that thinks it works for a god. And I know Afroakuma probably doesn't like that idea. *slits throat*

Owrtho

[arguskos]

Con. Struct.

[UnChosenOne]

Construct.

[Heliomance]

Aberration

[Athaniar]

.tcurtsnoC rof etov I

[Heliomance]

Also, I'm not sure why, but this thread contains scary amounts of deja vu.

[Luean]

Well, first i wanted to vote for magical beast, but there seem to be too many votes for construct, so i guess i vote for that too...

Construct

[afroakuma]

You know, Gareth, I don't think it's such a concern, at the moment.

Limos: Backtrack to the first and second VUAV results. NE and CN, respectively.


Why haven't you included the "Don't vote up a monster" monsters in your cross referencing list?

Because it's not a contest, obviously. Everyone knows that. :smalltongue:
In seriousness, it's because I cut/pasted from the last thread ro rush it out and we don't have those ones formatted yet.

[Lord_Gareth]

So because plant already won once before means it should never be voted for again?

No, I think she should change her votes because the exact concept she just voted for has already been done.

[Pronounceable]

I'm not gonna bother voting since construct has already won. I get a feeling this won't be a gigantic sand monster somehow related to glass of any kind. But if I were Afro, I'd make an hourglass themed monster and post it just to focus all these inappropriate comments all over the forum into one specific thread. Wink, wink.

As for voting options, removing at least winnig type from the next one could be logical.

[Juhn]

I don't think Construct has necessarily "already won". There's still half the voting term left. My vote goes toward an epic Magical Beast, parftially because Magical Beasts are overdue.

And there's no reason to strike the most recent winning option - anyone who's been following this isn't likely to vote for it anyway, but I'm still confident that afro's got more than one interesting villain for each type.

[puppyavenger]

magical beast because are there even any epic ones?

[puppyavenger]

magical beast because are there even any epic ones?

[Raroy]

No, I think she should change her votes because the exact concept she just voted for has already been done.

I see, I should look up the other voted up entries to see if something similar has already been done. I'll take no offense to your comments. Besides, that first one was exactly what I wanted, and more.

Also, I'm not....You know what? Forget it.

[LordZarth]

Magical Beast.

Anyone who wanted MB but voted for constructs, switch!

That Noun

[afroakuma]

Well, that only took all day to say.

Deadly lag of doom.

[Alteran]

I say construct.

[afroakuma]

Alteran, your vote came in after the 0000 EST watershed and cannot be tallied.

The winning type is Construct!

You may now vote for this villain's... er... "species." Yeah, that's what I'll call it.

[starwoof]

I would have said "brand".:smallbiggrin:

Anyway, one vote for Shield Guardian.

[Lord_Gareth]

Unique (Geometric) - with non-Euclidian Geometry.

It's not just an epic level challenge. It's an epic level mind-trip.

[afroakuma]

Unless I get an aberration and am feeling a serious Lovecraftian vibe, I'll be keeping things Euclidean.

[Raroy]

Unique (Geometric)

A fifth dimensional Rubik's cube....

[Lord_Gareth]

Unless I get an aberration and am feeling a serious Lovecraftian vibe, I'll be keeping things Euclidean.

Man, in the real world Euclidian Geometry is boring. I want to see the phrase, "creatures striking [CONSTRUCT] in melee recieve 10d6 damage (no save) from temporal paradox."

Limiting yourself to three dimensions is for the weeeeeeaaaaaak!

[PairO'Dice Lost]

My vote also goes to Unique: Geometric. If you absolutely must stay within the bounds of Euclidean geometry, I'm thinking graph theory would be a good inspiration, all floating nodes and edges. Think about it--what's more villainous than the incarnation of graph theory? Nothing, that's what!

Of course, complex numbers still count as Euclidean geometry, since they can be represented on a plane. Just a suggestion....

[afroakuma]

Nah, geometric means it's based in the realm of spheres, triangular prisms and other faceless indimidating obelisk solids.

On a side note, welcome to the Playground, PairO'Dice!

[The Demented One]

I'll vote for a Homunculus.

[UnChosenOne]

Unique (Geometric)

[mikeejimbo]

Hey, there's that bandwagon again! *hops*

Unique: Geometric

[Limos]

I'm not really sure what it means, but I'll go for Unique(Zoomorphic)

Does that mean it's made out of animal bits or something?

[afroakuma]

Would mean it's shaped like an animal.

Unique (juggernaut) would mean that it is shaped like a juggernaut, not the Juggernaut. So maybe a Zamboni.

[Limos]

Ooooh, then specifically I want it to be a Unique(Zoomorphic) that is shaped like a Housecat. It must be of Tiny size.

Tiny clawed Dooooooooooom!

EDIT: Honestly, wouldn't you be afraid of an epic level Construct Housecat?

[Owrtho]

What are the odds that an animated object would be an hourglass, cuz if they're good, I'm voting Animated Object, otherwise I'll vote Unique (Geometric).

Owrtho

[bue52]

Unique (geometric) would be my vote

[PairO'Dice Lost]

Nah, geometric means it's based in the realm of spheres, triangular prisms and other faceless indimidating obelisk solids.

Ah, well; worth a shot. :smallwink:


On a side note, welcome to the Playground, PairO'Dice!

Thanks. I've been following these Vote Up a _____ threads for a while, and they're partly why I finally joined.

[Fako]

Unique(Geometric)... I want an epic construct shaped like a d20... :smallamused:

[Heliomance]

I vote Modron.

[Mercenary Pen]

Think I'll go for Adamantine Golem

[Luean]

Unique(Zoomorphic) for me.

[arguskos]

Unique (Geometric) for the winbandwagon.

[afroakuma]

:belkar: Zeta, Shadow, we hooked another one.

[TheCheshireHat]

Unique (zoomorphic). Looks like geometric is going to win, but I´ve never been terribly impressed by large polyhedrons

[Dublock]

wel, Unique (zoomorphic) has my vote ;)

[Heliomance]

No love for the Modrons?

[DracoDei]

Zoomorphic

[Pronounceable]

Much as a noneuclidian construct of DOOM is appealing, zoomorphic would be more impressive.

And in case this fails (which sadly seems likely), can we get a noneuclidian construct without lovecraftian vibes?

[afroakuma]

As I said, it's going to be Euclidean.

[puppyavenger]

unique zonomorphic

[Zeta Kai]

As Unique (geometric) does not appeal to me, I will vote for Unique (Zoomorphic).

[blackspeeker]

Because I hate math and therefor geometry, I'll lend myself to unique zoomorphic

[vegetalss4]

As i love math you would think that i would vote for Unique (geometric), however i wont instead i vote for Unique (Zoomorphic)

[Debihuman]

Unique (zoomorphic) has to be the way to go.

Debby

[Limos]

Holy crap I started a bandwagon!

[Magnor Criol]

Hm. Both Juggernaut and Geometric sound interesting.

After a coin flip, my vote goes to Unique: Juggernaut, in the face of futility. =p

[Owrtho]

As I said, it's going to be Euclidean.

What about a penteract, but like normal you can only see the first three dimensions, so it looks (and acts) like a cube?

Owrtho

[afroakuma]

Not even going to hit tesseract territory.

[paddyfool]

Hrum. Geometric, or zoomorphic? Arbitrary shapes and symmetry, vs modelling the physiology of some unknown critter for some reason. And somehow this thing has to be villainous... eh, I suppose it has to be geometric, out of the two. "You created me in the shape of a cube! You must die, and all those like you!"

[Limos]

Quick people! Vote more Zoomorphic!

[Juhn]

What exactly does Juggernaut entail?

[LordZarth]

Unique (Juggernaut)

[kopout]

Unique (zoomorphic)

[afroakuma]

What exactly does Juggernaut entail?

Steamroller, zamboni, backhoe... something gigantic and mechanical-action.

[Saint Nil]

Geomorphic please. I find this idea quite intriging.

[Juhn]

Hmm. In that case, my vote goes toward Unique (Humanoid).

[Pronounceable]

It might've occured to you, but you might wanna extend the voting time seeing the site gets busted so bad.

[afroakuma]

Did something go wrong today? I thought it only bombed yesterday.

[Limos]

Geomorphic please. I find this idea quite intriging.

What is Geomorphic? I'm guessing you mean Geometric, but it could also be Zoomorphic.

Are you voting for both at once?

[Flabbicus]

Unique Geometric.
Nothing to see here.
Move along
Gogo dodecahedron!

[Blue Ghost]

Unique geometric.

Dodecahedron? No! Icosahedron! A monstrous d20 for the win!

[Lord_Gareth]

Gogo geometry! You can beat cheap effigy knockoffs!

And please, please let there be a class vote this time - I love villains with class levels ^_^

[Mewtarthio]

Zoomorphic

[Reath]

Unique (Geometric)

Because it's more interesting.

[Shadow_Elf]

Can I vote for Unique [Fractal]? Because a construct made of an infinite amount of smaller identical constructs would be so awesome.

DM: Attack: +24/+19/+14/+9/+4; 2d8 + 5 damage and 6d10 advanced functions damage. Conan has vulnerable 25 advanced functions. All five attacks hit. Conan dies.
Conan: Damn! I shouldn't have dumped Intelligence!
Smug Player: Who says Theoretical Mathematics isn't a paying job?

Failing Unique [Fractal], I'll vote for Unique [Zoomorphic]

[Pronounceable]

Did something go wrong today? I thought it only bombed yesterday.

It was dead this evening (evening over here at any rate).


Can I vote for Unique [Fractal]? Because a construct made of an infinite amount of smaller identical constructs would be so awesome.

But that sounds suspiciously like a swarm. Each member of which is also a swarm. Whose every member is... Well, yeah. A collosal+ swarm of huge critters, each of which is a swarm of medium critters who are individually swarms of dimunitive creatures (and maybe something further?) sounds rather promising (if rather unfeasible).

[Reath]

Because a construct made of an infinite amount of smaller identical constructs would be so awesome.


Did he just suggest a swarm? I think he just suggested a swarm.

[Owrtho]

Not even going to hit tesseract territory.

You seem to misunderstand. I meant that as only three dimensions can be perceived, it would for all practical purposes be a cube. But the maker had somehow managed (intentionally) to make at least two additional dimensions have the same length as the main three.

And this would have been posted sooner, but the internet ate it the first time...

Owrtho

[afroakuma]

Still a tie game. Major come-from-behind this round.

[Mewtarthio]

Just so we're clear: Geometric means that the whole thing is a single shape, right? Like a giant cube or sphere or pyramid?

[afroakuma]

Nope. Not what I'm planning... hehehehe

[Reverent-One]

Unique (zoomorphic), though I'd really like juggernaut.

[Lord_Gareth]

Listen to what TV Tropes has to say about non-Euclidian geometry and the real world -


Possible Truth in Television, as there's some indication that the visible universe is the 3-dimensional surface of a 4-dimensional trumpet/funnel.

Some theories suggest the universe is a hyper-Dodecahedron, the normal variant being a platonic solid with 12 sides. Travel some billion lightyears in one direction you'd eventually arrive at your original location, but turned a few degrees. Trippy.

More aptly, it is to be observed that Euclidean geometry, mathematically speaking, is a special case— it only applies to forms on a perfectly flat, two-dimensional plane; something that is, strictly speaking, an abstract concept (in light of the fact that time and space are demonstrably curved by gravity.) Consider that you cannot, in euclidean geometry, draw a triangle with three right angles, but it is perfectly possible on the surface of a sphere. So what does that say for we who live in a "spherical" universe?

Why did I post this? Because it's vaguely on-topic and I can.

[Limos]

Go Zoomorphic Goooooo!

[Mewtarthio]

Nope. Not what I'm planning... hehehehe

Oh. In that case, I'd like to change my vote from Zoomorphic to Geometric.

[Limos]

Oh. In that case, I'd like to change my vote from Zoomorphic to Geometric.

TRAITOR!!

Begone treasonous dog!



I kid, I kid.

[afroakuma]

Alright, the votes are in and the winner (by a hair) is Unique (geometric)!

Now, against my better judgment, you may vote up this villanous vector's Class.

[starwoof]

Matador, anyone? Eh?

[Shadow_Elf]

NINJA REPELLENT!

Whew, First vote!

I'm going to vote for... Soulknife! That means you'll have to give this thing a soul to work with, so it should be more interesting.
Failing Soulknife, I vote for Fax's How-It-Should-Be Monk. Preferably both, actually. Like HiSB Monk 10/Soulknife 5 or somesuch.

EDIT: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

This Ninja Repellent is the worst waste of money EVAR!

[starwoof]

Teehee.

Bullfight-tron! Best name ever!

[Lord_Gareth]

I say Swordsage, because that would just be too cool.

[afroakuma]

Soulknife is not an accepted class.

Fax's HISB classes, while excellent, are not from a WotC source and therefore do not follow the rules. Unfortunately, they are excluded. Please choose another option.

This may change after I see his Cartomancer in action.

[Limos]

I vote Artificer

I want a construct to construct things, preferably other constructs.

[Mewtarthio]

Artificer

It's an epic construct that makes its own minions!

[Magnor Criol]

Hm. Hard to decide, I can think of several good concepts here. Such as the artificer one. But...I think I'll vote Cleric. It could come out pretty cool, actually.

Out of curiosity, why is Soulknife banned? It's not because you don't like psionics; you've got psion and psy warrior on there.

[Lord Mancow]

Artificer for all the reasons stated above.

Afro, you like totally took my city eating vermin idea.:smalltongue:

Which I down scaled from Tyranids.

[afroakuma]

Afro, you like totally took my city eating vermin idea.:smalltongue:

On the bright side, now it's statted out and extra violent for you!

[Owrtho]

That sounds awsome. I'll vote Artificer as well.

Owrtho

[Limos]

Out of curiosity, why is Soulknife banned? It's not because you don't like psionics; you've got psion and psy warrior on there.

I think it's because the construct doesn't have a soul. It's pretty hard to make a knife out of a soul you don't have.

I suppose it could use someone elses soul. But then there is the problem of how to extract it...

[bue52]

I'd have to save a Beguiler would be my choice.

[Limos]

I just thought of something. If an Artificer is a construct, can he use his repair damage and strengthen construct infusions on himself? Because that would be pretty crazy.

[afroakuma]

Go to Eberron for your answer. I know I will.

[UnChosenOne]

Artificier.

[blackspeeker]

the world needs bards

[Reverent-One]

Artificer haven't used them at all in 3.5, but I love them in 4e.

[Raroy]

Artificer, seems proper.

[Limos]

Did everyone die while I wasn't looking?

[Raroy]

Did everyone die while I wasn't looking?

Congratulations, you have started a bandwagon. You started an idea that other people thought was cool and now you must pay the price. The price being people forgetting who started the whole thing and vague, unrecognized, envy.

[Limos]

Congratulations, you have started a bandwagon. You started an idea that other people thought was cool and now you must pay the price. The price being people forgetting who started the whole thing and vague, unrecognized, envy.


I started the Unique(Zoomorphic) bandwagon too, but you saw how that turned out. I was afraid that if I aknowledged this one it would turn on me again.

[Mewtarthio]

Congratulations, you have started a bandwagon. You started an idea that other people thought was cool and now you must pay the price. The price being people forgetting who started the whole thing and vague, unrecognized, envy.

He ninja posted me. If I was five seconds faster, I'd have gotten the credit. Now I know how Gottfried Leibniz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz_and_Newton_calculus_controversy) feels... :frown:

[hojo]

...Cleric?

[Limos]

He ninja posted me. If I was five seconds faster, I'd have gotten the credit. Now I know how Gottfried Leibniz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz_and_Newton_calculus_controversy) feels... :frown:


I was going to ask who the hell Gottfried Leibniz was, but then I realized how appropriate that would be.

I'm getting pretty stoked on the Artificer thing. Next campaign I'm in I totally want to play one.

[Pronounceable]

Cleric. Preferably with law domain.

[Limos]

Oh noes!! Peoples are voting for Cleric now.

I told you that aknowledging the bandwagon would ruin it!

[DracoDei]

Hmmm... put me down for Rogue. Because everyone knows that tetrahededrons will attack your feet when you least expect... (not really my reasoning, but it sounds good, right?)

[starwoof]

Hmmm... put me down for Rogue. Because everyone knows that tetrahededrons will attack your feet when you least expect... (not really my reasoning, but it sounds good, right?)

The d4; nature's caltrop.

[Magnor Criol]

I think it's because the construct doesn't have a soul. It's pretty hard to make a knife out of a soul you don't have.

I suppose it could use someone elses soul. But then there is the problem of how to extract it...

Actually, that could make a pretty good motivation for villainous intent. And by pretty good, I mean really awesome, though it would take some homebrewing and modding to make it so - but we're in the right place for that...

Moot point, of course, 'cause it's not on the list and I don't think I'd vote for it anyhow. But that's actually a really cool concept...a weapon literally manifested by siphoning off the souls of those it slays...

[Limos]

Actually, that could make a pretty good motivation for villainous intent. And by pretty good, I mean really awesome, though it would take some homebrewing and modding to make it so - but we're in the right place for that...

Moot point, of course, 'cause it's not on the list and I don't think I'd vote for it anyhow. But that's actually a really cool concept...a weapon literally manifested by siphoning off the souls of those it slays...

I would think you would just whip up some kind of "Soul Thief" special affect and apply it to the construct. Something like

This character must kill a sentient creature and harvest it's soul at least once every (1d3+1/3 Your Soulknife class level) day period (each time you harvest a soul you reroll to determine how long the soul lasts) or lose all of it's class skills until such time as a soul is harvested.

Maybe they would gain some other bonuses from the effect. I dunno. Possibly they would get stronger depending on how powerful the soul they drain is. Draining a psion would be especially effective. Draining a real Soulknife would be a supercharge.

Otherwise they would just be a basic soulknife. Maybe it could be a special feat?

That would fit with a construct that didn't have to sleep. It would just periodically murder people in order to keep itself at full power. You would find it carting along a supply of slaves to extract souls from to keep itself at full power when in the wilderness. In a city it would just graze it's way through the slums, picking off drifters and cutthroats. The hook would be the strange drained corpses showing up every night.

[Magnor Criol]

I didn't say it'd be a difficult homebrew. :smalltongue: I'd base how long the soul powers the knife on the drained soul's HD, personally. Kill an archwizard, he'll give you more power than killing a commoner.

But now we're derailing. Sorry, afro.

[Limos]

Yeah sorry Afro.

P.S. Vote Artificer


EDIT: C'mon people, it's only 3 AM! Continue the voting!!

[paddyfool]

Villainous Artificer. Preferably of the megalomaniacal "The world... it will be mine" variety. You know, the kind of polyhedral guy who builds an army of warforged-like creations, then sells them to raise the funds to build more, without telling the purchasers about a backdoor override that he can use to take control when the time is right.

[Heliomance]

Druid! Because everyone knows that it is expected to shout "Transform and roll out!" at Construct Druids.

[Mercenary Pen]

I'm gonna say, warlock

[Luean]

I vote for druid (no, not because of "Transform and roll out!" post above [but it would be pretty cool...])

[afroakuma]

Meh, nothing wrong with minor derailing. Just don't take it too far.

[arguskos]

Artificer, because a robot making robots seems entertaining to me.

[Zeta Kai]

I like Von Neumannoids, so Artificer is the way to go.

[vegetalss4]

Artificer for eberron

[bue52]

Sorry, afro but I think you've forgotten about my beguiler vote, just thought you ought to know.

[Juhn]

My favourite option is Soulknife, but that's not on the list for reasons which have yet to be explained. I do like the idea of this construct being Psionic, though...

[Shadow_Elf]

Awww. I try to throw in something interesting and...
Whatever.

My vote goes to Druid.
Autobots! Roll Out!
Is just far too cool to pass up.

It looks like you're either making a Replicator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replicator_(Stargate)) (Artificer), or Optimus Prime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimus_Prime) (Druid), my friend.

[HoundDog]

I vote Bard. Probibly won't get in, but I don't think I've seen a bard construct before...

[Juhn]

A Bard with a tin ear?

*SHOT*

[Limos]

I vote Bard. Probibly won't get in, but I don't think I've seen a bard construct before...

Wouldn't a Construct Bard be... Soundwave? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundwave_(Transformers))

[Egiam]

Artificer. Think I Robot.

[Risek]

Hmmm.... How about a warlock?

[afroakuma]

Sorry, afro but I think you've forgotten about my beguiler vote, just thought you ought to know.

And so I did. Fixed.


Awww. I try to throw in something interesting and...
Whatever.

I'm not familiar enough with the HISB Monk (for obvious reasons) to feel comfortable using it yet.


It looks like you're either making a Replicator (Artificer), or Optimus Prime (Druid), my friend.

Since it can Wildshape, shouldn't it be Optimus Primal? :smallsmile:

[TheCheshireHat]

A Warlock Construct is an interesting and unusual idea.

[Debihuman]

Matador just looks interesting and I have to vote for it.

Debby

[thegurullamen]

Write-In Vote: Greatest American Hero class

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/news/comic-news/greatest-american-hero.jpg

If that won't work, how about Warlock? Make him an Eldritch Cannon.

[Limos]

How much longer are we going to be voting on class?

I want to move on to the Challenge Rating.

[afroakuma]

Turnover is always 0000 EST. By my count, that's nine hours from now.

[Lord_Gareth]

Alright everyone, we can't waste this opportunity - when the CR vote comes around, vote as high as possible.

I mean, c'mon, we've always voted fairly low so we could use the monster in our campaigns, but it's an Epic vote. Over-the-top is a necessity.

[kopout]

Awww, Unique (geometric) won?
But, that is how it goes Artificer would seem the best fit for this .

[Zeta Kai]

Alright everyone, we can't waste this opportunity - when the CR vote comes around, vote as high as possible.

I mean, c'mon, we've always voted fairly low so we could use the monster in our campaigns, but it's an Epic vote. Over-the-top is a necessity.

Trying to sway votes is bad form. That's for paid lobbyists.

[afroakuma]

There's a few other people that applies to. :smallmad:

Thank you Zeta.

[Limos]

Artificer really seems like the most appropriate class for an epic intelligent construct. Natural magics just don't seem to fit. Technology is the only class type I could see a construct using.

EDIT: I'm totally going to play a Warforged Artificer next campaign I'm in.

[Pronounceable]

Trying to sway votes is bad form. That's for paid lobbyists.

He'll paid in the form of a villain made to his specification...

[afroakuma]

Or I could get riled by the bandwagonry and capsize all of his choices. :smallbiggrin:

Which reminds me, I have to put up the last contest.

[Juhn]

Did we get the rationale on the lack of soulknife yet? I'd like the opportunity to vote in this stage.

[afroakuma]

There are six hours left in the voting. Ish.

[Limos]

Did we get the rationale on the lack of soulknife yet? I'd like the opportunity to vote in this stage.


I'm sticking with the "Constructs have no souls" explanation. Afroakuma hasn't put forth his own so far, it's possible he just doesn't like Soulknives.

[Juhn]

He's got some unique creations, though. I'm sure the soul bind spell or whatever it was called could be put to some creative use...

And preemptively, no I am not advising that this construct be a psionic Alphonse Elric.

[Mewtarthio]

I'm sticking with the "Constructs have no souls" explanation. Afroakuma hasn't put forth his own so far, it's possible he just doesn't like Soulknives.

Since when do Soulknives use souls? I thought their knives were powered by psychic energy.

The real reason for disallowing Soulknives is, of course, that Soulknives are pathetically weak.

[Juhn]

Since when do Soulknives use souls? I thought their knives were powered by psychic energy.

You know, that's what I'd been thinking originally, but all this talk of souls confused me.

Anyone ever attempted to rebalance the soulknife? A Construct Soulknife sounds like an awesome PC idea to me now...

[Lord_Gareth]

There's a few other people that applies to. :smallmad:

Thank you Zeta.

Oh, don't give me this crap, Afro. We get along just fine most of the time, but I'm sick of hearing it about influencing votes.

In any democracy, one's personal power is proportionate to how many people you can convince to see things your way. This is not only a legitimate way to do things democratically, it's the legitimate way to do things democratically. If I want something everyone votes on, I convince people to vote my way.

Furthermore, you have influenced votes merely by saying you have an idea - you turned this vote from a Zoomorphic victory into a Geometric victory by saying as much, causing Mew to change his vote and others to vote for the Geometric option!

So quit giving me crap about lobbying. If you can influence votes, so can I.

[Juhn]

...Generally he has a basic idea for each of the major contenders, especially if they're "Unique" options that he put into the table. If people vote for them, he's gotta have something there.

The extent of vote influence in these things generally is limited to making your choice, explaining your rationale, and possibly explaining your rationale for not choosing other options. Though so long as you don't come out and say "Vote for this one!" they tend to be pretty lenient.

Afro tends to be rather paranoid about voter influence on occasion, but he's never done anything. Even after the name vote business in VUACS he went with the winner, regardless of his suspicions. He does seem to have a disproportionate dislike for the winning name, though.

[afroakuma]

Oh, don't give me this crap, Afro. We get along just fine most of the time, but I'm sick of hearing it about influencing votes.

Wasn't aimed at you. Was aimed at someone who's done it more than three times this thread. Was also not entirely serious.


In any democracy, one's personal power is proportionate to how many people you can convince to see things your way. This is not only a legitimate way to do things democratically, it's the legitimate way to do things democratically. If I want something everyone votes on, I convince people to vote my way.

And I'm pretty good with that, unless I have a legitimate concern with it (VUACS title vote). I'm not concerned about the class vote here.


Furthermore, you have influenced votes merely by saying you have an idea - you turned this vote from a Zoomorphic victory into a Geometric victory by saying as much, causing Mew to change his vote and others to vote for the Geometric option!

So quit giving me crap about lobbying. If you can influence votes, so can I.

Mew asked, I answered. I doubt the white text told anyone anything they didn't already expect - I always have an idea, and am always planning how to integrate the current leader on the vote tally. I actually assumed, if anything, that my statement might accidentally make people leave Geometric.


Afro tends to be rather paranoid about voter influence on occasion, but he's never done anything. Even after the name vote business in VUACS he went with the winner, regardless of his suspicions. He does seem to have a disproportionate dislike for the winning name, though.

Justified paranoia in that instance. That's the only time I've ever been concerned about it, for reasons that were posted. I hate the name because of the 24 hours that followed. And the fact that it's chasing me.

[Juhn]

...Did ya miss the part where the rest of my post was defending your actions, afro?

[afroakuma]

Not at all; I only needed to comment on the last part.

[thegurullamen]

Afroakuma has gone too far. It is time someone made an example of him. Someone get a pike!


http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo16/gurullamen/head.jpg

This was bound to happen and you all know it. You're all as implicatable as me.

[puppyavenger]

Artificer for the WIN!

[afroakuma]

Afroakuma has gone too far. It is time someone made an example of him. Someone get a pike!


O RLY?


http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq194/afroakuma/ohblearghh.jpg

O BLGHARGHAGH?

[thegurullamen]

O RLY?


http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq194/afroakuma/ohblearghh.jpg

O BLGHARGHAGH?

Tekeli-ee! Tekeli-ee!

BLGHARGHAGH!!!!! (the sound of bad stuff happening)

[LordZarth]

O RLY?


http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq194/afroakuma/ohblearghh.jpg

O BLGHARGHAGH?

/win.

Also, Druid.

[Limos]

Just a few more hours until we get to vote on CR.

[puppyavenger]

what would you do if we gave it loev for motivation?


...creepy mental image...

[afroakuma]

I don't expect that to happen. But I have a contingency idea, just in case.

[Heliomance]

Tchah! I'm such an idiot! It's an Epic villain construct, and I wasted my vote on Modron. I should have voted Mechanus! The entire plane!

[thegurullamen]

Tchah! I'm such an idiot! It's an Epic villain construct, and I wasted my vote on Modron. I should have voted Mechanus! The entire plane!

[looks at signature]

...

[long pause]

...

[epic self-face-palm]

Same here.

[afroakuma]

Little-known fact: I was the OP on that thread as well.

[Limos]

I was considering voting for Punch clock villainy.

My next choice would be Spite.

And then Curiosity.

I definately won't vote for Malevolence, Greed, Anarachy, Insanity or the like. None of the usual evil motivations.

[afroakuma]

The third published villain had PCV as motivation. It's actually much easier to do than one might think.

"My lawn has been hired to kill me!"

[Lord_Gareth]

Apathetic malice might be fun; its logic is, why not torture mortals?

[puppyavenger]

The third published villain had PCV as motivation. It's actually much easier to do than one might think.

"My lawn has been hired to kill me!"

so, isn't it midnight now?

[Limos]

so, isn't it midnight now?


I don't know where you are but here it's 9:30

But according to the board it's midnight in half an hour.

[afroakuma]

0000 EST. Currently 23:33 as of this typing.

[Mewtarthio]

Mew asked, I answered. I doubt the white text told anyone anything they didn't already expect - I always have an idea, and am always planning how to integrate the current leader on the vote tally. I actually assumed, if anything, that my statement might accidentally make people leave Geometric.

For the record, I changed my vote because my intital conception of what "Unique (Geometric)" meant was false. I thought it meant the construct would be a giant, boring cube or something.

[afroakuma]

Alright, the class has been voted, and the winner is Artificier!

Now, it's time for this antagonistic automaton to receive its Challenge Rating!

[Juhn]

...Crap. I missed the vote again, didn't I? I was busy writing an essay-length post on another forum for the last hour.

I never did get a response as to the whole "soulknife" thing from what I can tell.

[afroakuma]

The response, such as it was, was a fairly definite "not yours, u cannot haz."

[Reath]

30.


Because I Can.

[thegurullamen]

30.

Hmm. I see your 30 and raise you to 31. Or the highest available number. Whatever. I'm good.

[Juhn]

Where does the CR hit diety-level again?

And yeah, I know Soulknife wasn't on the list, I was just wondering what the rationale for that was.

[afroakuma]

Hmm. I see your 30 and raise you to 31. Or the highest available number. Whatever. I'm good.

Highest number available is 30.

[Zeta Kai]

Well, let's push it to the nines: 30!

[afroakuma]

But 30 isn't...

Oh

I see what you did there.

[Lord_Gareth]

I vote CR 30.

Because if Afro's going to do Epic, he's going to do the most epic villain of all time.

[afroakuma]

No, I think that honor will be reserved for VUAGWWYD.

Free homebrew to whoever guesses that acronym.

[Juhn]

What, do we post our guesses here?

[afroakuma]

Sure, why not.

I'll even give a hint: The first three words are Vote Up A

[Juhn]

I'm pretty sure I've got the first four, but I don't necessarily want to give hints if I'm on the right track... I'm devious or something.

[afroakuma]

You can always PM it to me. Now that we have HQ, my inbox isn't constantly in danger of rupturing.

[bue52]

CR 30 I guess since it is an epic villain.

[thegurullamen]

30 it is then.

Vote Up A Guy Who Will YOUR-HEAD-CUT-OFF, Duh?

[arguskos]

/bandCR 30wagon

[afroakuma]

Guru, you may recall what happens when you cut my head off. I do not advocate trying that again. :smallamused:

[Juhn]

I'm going to go ahead and hope that CR 30 is close enough to diety-level.

[thegurullamen]

Guru, you may recall what happens when you cut my head off. I do not advocate trying that again. :smallamused:

I wasn't attempting that maneuver again. I was making a legitimate guess. Sort of. There's a degree of tongue-in-cheek to it. But at least the letters match. Nonetheless, I'm guessing I was incorrect.

And we will fight again...oh yes...we will....

[afroakuma]

Right, well I'll be back to check on this tomorrow sometime. I have a very terrible day lined up and Sunday's pretty bad as well.

I intend to try an automatic turnover on this one; I'll leave instructions sometime tomorrow.

And Guru: Very well, but expect the same result:


http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq194/afroakuma/ohblearghh.jpg

O BLGHARGHAGH?

[Raroy]

CR 21. What's an army of robots going to do to you at that high of a level. Even with super crazy lazers.

[Juhn]

"Very Terrible", you say? Oh dear.

Well, whatever it is that makes it deserve such a title, you have my sympathies for that.

[Owrtho]

Turn the speakers to 11. Wait! I mean 30.

Anyways, could it be Vote Up An Hourglass of a Divine Entity Vote Up A God With Which You Die?

Owrtho

[Mewtarthio]

30

Because it's epic.

[TheCheshireHat]

I´m voting for 29, just because :smallbiggrin:

[UnChosenOne]

CR 30. Why vote anything lesser when you can have greater?

[starwoof]

I vote for 24 because I go against the grain. I am a single swimmer upstream. I am a fat guy walking up a hill. I AM THE MONGOOSE THAT HUGS SNAKES.

[paddyfool]

CR 21. What's an army of robots going to do to you at that high of a level. Even with super crazy lazers.

Seconded. It would also be good to see something that could actually be used in high level campaigns as well as Epic ones. 21.

[Limos]

I vote CR 30 as well. And if I might say...

BOOYAH! Artificer won! Something I voted for actually made it in! Hooray!

[vegetalss4]

turn it o the max 30

VUAGWWYD

vote up another Great World Wreking Yuan-ti Deity?

[Mercenary Pen]

Gonna go for CR21 otherwise the boards will explode from sheer awesome...

[Heliomance]

I vote to completelt subvert the intent of this contest. CR 16.

[paddyfool]

BTW, Afroakuma and fellow VUA- homebrewers, if you should ever get frustrated by our voting patterns, feel free to take a break and do some of the homebrewing you want. After all, the general public don't always know what they could actually benefit from most; as Gerald Ford said, "If I asked my customers what they wanted, they would have asked for a faster horse". ;-)

[puppyavenger]

CR 30 for reasons states abovbe and most likely below.

[afroakuma]

I vote for 24 because I go against the grain. I am a single swimmer upstream. I am a fat guy walking up a hill.

Hah! I always knew you were a fat guy, starwoof. :smallwink:

And paddyfool: I'm going to have to remember that quote.

[Pronounceable]

For contradicting everyone so far, I'll vote the middle of the road. 25.

[Mercenary Pen]

For contradicting everyone so far, I'll vote the middle of the road. 25.

Middle of the road usually tends to get run over, I always thought:smallwink:

[HoundDog]

I vote 21.

[Zeta Kai]

Very well, but expect the same result:


http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq194/afroakuma/ohblearghh.jpg

O BLGHARGHAGH?

This makes me glad that my avatar doesn't have a neck. :smallwink:

[afroakuma]

I would never administer a punishment that I myself was susceptible to.

[Lord_Gareth]

Hey Afro, ever consider smaller Vote-Ups, like for Spells or items?

[Heliomance]

Vote Up A Vote Up An X?

[afroakuma]

thegurullamen already did that exact contest.

[Magnor Criol]

I'm gonna vote my age; 22.

Also, MMX for the win! That snake-robot-thingy image brings back some memories. Ahh.

[LordZarth]

30 FTW!

I'm going to guess: Vote Up A Giant What Would You Do. Or something along those lines.

VUA God What Would You Do?

[Mewtarthio]

Vote Up A God Who Wants You Dead?

[Juhn]

30 FTW!

I'm going to guess: Vote Up A Giant What Would You Do. Or something along those lines.

VUA God What Would You Do?

The second one there is a variation on my first guess, by the way. And mine wasn't correct from what I know.

[afroakuma]

Mewtarthio wins!

[Juhn]

It appears I was pretty close.

Oh well, I've already got a homebrew kicking around. Mewtarthio deserves his.

[afroakuma]

Not to mention you get a sweet sweet parody contest out of it.

Vote Up A God Who Wants You Dead is indeed going to run.

[thegurullamen]

It shall be a god of greed, one not above hiring lawns to do his dirty work.

[Egiam]

16. I want to get to use this dude.

[Owrtho]

Not to mention you get a sweet sweet parody contest out of it.

Vote Up A God Who Wants You Dead is indeed going to run.

Lol, Its almost the same as what I thought. Just slightly different wording...

Owrtho

[Magnor Criol]

It shall be a god of greed, one not above hiring lawns to do his dirty work.

He hires lawns to do his dirty work? Is he a god of gardening?

He sounds like a really down-to-earth kinda guy. Y'know, a real sodding fellow. The kind of guy that just...grows on you. You'd better respect his turf, though, or else he might go green with envy. Then he'll start to sow the seeds of discontent, and you may well find a blade in your back before long...But, you know, as long as you don't go digging around where you shouldn't, he's probably a pretty decent fellow.

Eh, not my best work.