Quote Originally Posted by Debihuman View Post
Normal conversation, yes. I agree


Actually, on this you are incorrect. Here is the definition of an Extraordinary Ability (I did quote it earlier):



Hence, they may break the laws of physics as I wrote earlier. It is not a DC 10 listen check as per normal conversation, this is an Extraordinary Ability, which should increase the DC greatly. That's why these are saves and not checks. So yes, the -8 circumstance penalty should apply if you are listening to a mongrelfolk rather than another humanoid because the mongrelfolk have this Special Ability. A simple Listen check at DC 10 does not cut it.

Debby
What would your suggestion be for the requirements to detect the imitation? Do you reckon the save or check should scale with the mongrelfolk's HD?