Originally Posted by
Debihuman
Normal conversation, yes. I agree
Actually, on this you are incorrect. Here is the definition of an Extraordinary Ability (I did quote it earlier):
Hence, they may break the laws of physics as I wrote earlier. It is not a DC 10 listen check as per normal conversation, this is an Extraordinary Ability, which should increase the DC greatly. That's why these are saves and not checks. So yes, the -8 circumstance penalty should apply if you are listening to a mongrelfolk rather than another humanoid because the mongrelfolk have this Special Ability. A simple Listen check at DC 10 does not cut it.
Debby