Now until this morning, were we assuming that the lifting of the box was outside the rules? yes, certainly. But have good points been brought forth? Indeed they have. And as such, it is a matter that bears investigating. This thread cannot just assume that some scenes can be brushed aside by Rich ignoring the rules until we have reasonable proof that that is indeed the case, such as with the Tower scene. Last time the topic was brought forth, the general conclusion was that Rich was indeed ignoring carrying rules. But a new interpretation that does not require such major assumption has been proposed and until someone (and it seems that someone will need to be me) does the math, we do not know if under the new assumptions the math actually works or not.