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    Default Re: Zhentarim Fighter

    Quote Originally Posted by Lonely Tylenol View Post
    Zhentarim Fighter gives you away to trigger a full round's worth of Sneak Attack as a swift action. Now, you do Sneak Attacks better than the Rogue ever could.

    It doesn't matter that chargers can do thousands of damage while Sneak Attack Fighters can only do several hundred; at the point where both builds get off, they do enough damage to kill or at least set up the kill on whatever CR-appropriate creature you're attacking either way, but the Sneak Attack/Thug Fighter can make better use of Zhentarim Fighter, and Zhentarim Fighter can apply a useful debuff (see: things the Fighter can do that aren't damage).
    Fair enough, Zhent gives you a reliable means of sneak attack...after waiting around 8 levels with sneak attack and not much to work it with.

    I don't understand why you're talking up "things the Fighter can do that aren't damage" in support of the sneak attack variant, when trading feats for SA is literally trading options other than doing damage for more damage.
    And what is Thug adding to the Zhent/SA combo, other than not actually stacking with it due to replacing the same class feature?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaz View Post
    Thug- Mithril Chain is adequate armour for most purposes as a generic fighter, You can never complain about extra skill points, reducing MAD for a straight fighter. Trade for bonus feats- if you were dipping fighter for bonus fests, you wouldn't take thug. But to have a chance of qualifying for PrC, you need a few skillpoints under your belt. 2+Int does sweet FA.

    Edit if you want SA for PrC entry, many require SA class ability. Assassin Stance is not a Class Ability.
    4 + Int skill points on a class with no real use for Int still does sweet FA. If you're playing a fighter, you're not going to be a skill monkey. Just accept it and focus on the handful of important skills useful to you.

    Thug is horrible because you lose one of your front loaded bonus feats for a whopping 4 new class skills -- only one of them actually good (Bluff) - and some more skill points. You swap a genuinely useful feature for the ability to still be mediocre at something. Even worse, losing the feat and prof. makes it incompatible with other fighter variants, like Drow and Sneak Attack Fighter.

    As for sneak attack...If you get your stance via Swordsage dip, then it is a class ability.
    Last edited by StreamOfTheSky; 2013-03-04 at 06:38 PM.