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    Building on a Budget: Orks

    Let's recap our rules for BoaB.
    Rule #1; The goal is to get to 1850 as cheaply as possible, while
    Rule #2; Not being bad.

    Rule #2 says that deliberately taking units because they are expensive points-wise is not allowed. Because that's being bad. So, looks like we have to go with option b). We're Orks, so at worst, Rule #1 says 'as cheaply as possible'. So, semantics wins. Building a horde-army 'as cheaply as possible' is still going to end up stabbing the wallet. But, there's a way to fix that...Kind of. One of the cheapest models, in the short-term, is the Ork Stompa. You pay its price cost, and get 800 Points out of it. It's really, really good for it's price cost. Unfortunately, there are a lot of metas out there who have arbitrary rules which simply end up banning the Stompa as a matter of course. It's 800 Points, it's got 12 Hull Points, and for some, it's a scary model, so just ban it. Check with your meta's rules before you go and buy a Stompa, since spending a bunch of money on a model that you can't even use is the exact opposite of a good idea.

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    Grukk Face-Rippa currently auctions for $45 AUD...Those out of print models, amirite? You want it simply because GW doesn't sell Warbosses with Power Klaws. So that's really annoying.
    ...But that's disingenuous. Let's assume you aren't willing to bleed your wallet for a plastic sprue just because it's out of print (although you probably should, they're only going to get more expensive, not less). But, getting on topic, the Warlord for any Ork army is a no-brainer. A Warboss. Always. The fact that they hand out a 3D6" Charge move to your entire army once per game is arguably one of the best tools in your arsenal.

    Warboss - 104 Points
    'Eavy Armour, Big Choppa, Bosspole, Cybork Body, Da Lucky Stikk

    He doesn't even scratch 110, on 0.31 and that's pretty bad, but it's no worse than Tau. So that's something. What else can we use?

    Big Mek - 115 Points
    'Eavy Armour, Shokk Attack Gun, Cybork Body, Da Lucky Stikk

    Higher points cost, sure, but also more expensive. Rocking at 0.35, and rules-wise, doesn't even grant Waaagh! Not the smartest of options. That said, one, good roll from the Shokk Attack Gun can pretty much win the game by itself. Anyway, those are the non-Unique options, and actually have fairly bad efficiency ratings. So let's just go straight to the most expensive model...

    (0.18) Mad Dok Grotsnik - 160 Points

    Wait...Why didn't we pick this guy first!? He's got 'Eavy Armour and a Cybork Body, and he brought a Power Klaw! He's very, very solid. Any unit he joins also gains better FNP, Rampage and Fearless! There's absolutely no reason not to take him, well...His Warlord Trait isn't strong, and he doesn't Waaagh! But, none of Grotsnik's abilities are tied to being the Warlord, while Waaagh!ing is. But, at those efficiency ratings, why not both? At no point in the Ork book is there going to be a better force multiplier than Grotsnik, and you must have a Warboss if you want to Waaagh!, which you do.

    (0.32) (W) Warboss - 104 Points
    'Eavy Armour, Big Choppa, Bosspole, Cybork Body, Da Lucky Stikk

    (0.18) Mad Dok Grotsnik - 160 Points


    Well, that was a long walk. But if I didn't explain the choices, then you wouldn't learn anything, would you? Besides, Troops is easy.

    (0.34) Boyz (x10) - 143 Points
    x8 Shootas, 'Eavy Armour, Rokkit Launcha
    Boss Nob; 'Eavy Armour, Power Klaw, Bosspole

    (0.34) Boyz (x10) - 143 Points
    x8 Shootas, 'Eavy Armour, Rokkit Launcha
    Boss Nob; 'Eavy Armour, Power Klaw, Bosspole

    (0.34) Boyz (x10) - 143 Points
    x8 Shootas, 'Eavy Armour, Rokkit Launcha
    Boss Nob; 'Eavy Armour, Power Klaw, Bosspole

    (0.34) Boyz (x10) - 143 Points
    x8 Shootas, 'Eavy Armour, Rokkit Launcha
    Boss Nob; 'Eavy Armour, Power Klaw, Bosspole


    What's going on here, then? Am I intentionally inflating points costs? Shouldn't I not be doing that? Well...No. Pretty much every army in the game has their version of a Boltgun. When almost any unit in the game looks at your Orks, you broadly sweep your models back into the bucket. Even with upgrades, a Trukk still pushes a rating close to 1.00, and that's really bad. Sisters bad. There's no reason that you need to spending metal model money on plastic minis (unless the plastic mini is Grukk Face-Rippa, of course). So if you're not taking Trukks, you need 'Eavy Armour to not instantly die to Boltgun fire. Since you also happen to be 50% immune to Boltgun fire, you no longer need to be Melee to dodge bullets anymore. If you don't need to be in Melee, why not take Shootas? You still get 2 attacks base, 'cause you're Orks. You still have Furious Charge, 'cause you're Orks, and Shootas are Assault weapons. Why not take them? Although, a Heavy Flamer is going to kill all your Boyz no matter what you do. Anyway, we're ideally shooting for over 1500 Points, so that means bringing 4 Troops units.

    Gretchin are close to 1.00 as well. Yes, they're cheap in price, but at 3 points per model, you don't really get anywhere close to completing your army, which means spending even more money.

    Stompa
    If you can afford one, and are able to use one, get one.

    (0.21) Stompa; Grot Riggers - 800 Points

    It's models like these that really showcase what BoaB is all about. In the short-term, Boyz are cheaper than a Stompa. Obviously, right? Long-term, you get far more points out of a Stompa than you do out of a box of Boyz. Anyway, it really doesn't need explaining. The Stompa is one of the best models in the entire game, and there's a very good reason why it's banned in a lot of places. But for you, it's a no-brainer. It's 0.21 per point - that's cheaper than most HQs!

    Blowing our budget on a Stompa takes us to 1636 Points. That gives us around 200 Points left to build our Warboss' retinue unit. Remembering that Grotsnik also gives whatever Star Unit we want, FNP and Fearless (also remembering that the Stompa makes everything within 6" Fearless, too). We'd love to take a unit of Burna Boyz since they're an entire unit of Power Swords or an entire unit of Flamers, but the box is fairly expensive and the models inside are only 16 Points each, also remembering that our Warboss doesn't have a Power Klaw and we can't rely on Grotsnik for everything. So, let's pick up the kit that costs the same amount as a box of Boyz.

    (0.21) Nobz (x5); x1 Kombi-Skorcha, x3 Power Klaws, 'Eavy Armour - 195 Points

    Nobz and a Stompa actually cost the same. Who knew?

    1831 Points. Hmm. First, we need to drop the Bosspole on the Warboss. Grotsnik is making him Fearless, we don't need the Bosspole. Drop another Bosspole off one of the Boyz squads, as standing next to the Stompa will make them Fearless anyway. That'll bring you to 1821. Which gives us room for

    (0.92) Mek; Kustom Mega-Slugga - 25 Points

    I know. 0.92. What am I even thinking? Well, I'm thinking that you simply need a Mek in your list, to ride inside the Stompa. Between Grot Riggers and Mek's Tools, you should be able to keep your Stompa up and running for a long time. Looking at our Warboss model, we also have room for one, last Twin-Linked Shoota.

    Not a Stompa
    But taking a Stompa makes list-building so easy! Ah well, I understand that people ban Stompas. And because I know that to begin with, I'd feel pretty bad if I didn't tell you how to BoaB without a Stompa, because you may have to.

    (0.21) Nobz (x5); x1 Kombi-Skorcha, x3 Power Klaws, 'Eavy Armour - 195 Points

    Well, that unit hasn't gone anywhere, at least. However, now that they're not being Transported in a Stompa, they're going to get shot up. However, having a core force consisting of four Troops units very easily splits into two groups of two units each, which is enough to start taking double CADs. Unfortunately for us, there isn't a Big Mek with Kustom Force Field anymore. Well, actually, there is, and it's actually found in the Meganobz kit. But, we'll need two boxes of them, otherwise you're wasting money, and besides, if you're not going to be Transported in a Stompa, you can't get much better than a 2+ Armour Save. So, let's ditch the Nobz unit, in favour of the following.

    Big Mek; Mega Armour, Killsaw, Kustom Force Field - 135 Points
    Meganobz (x5); x2 Kombi-Skorchas, x3 Killsaws - 230


    0.44. Ouch. But, now our saves look like this; 2+, 5++ vs. Shooting, and FNP (5+). Not bad. Thankfully, we only need one of this unit. But our Warboss isn't in Mega Armour, and he's just a liability because of it. But, with Grotsnik and our new Big Mek, we have the HQ requirements to make two CADs, so we can drop the Warboss in favour of, you guessed it...

    (0.27) (W) Ghazghkull Thraka - 225 Points

    T5. Eternal Warrior. 2+ Save. 5+ FNP with Grotsnik. S10 Power Klaw. What is this guy, a Space Marine Chapter Master? Well...Yeah. Kind of. He's 225 Points, and he's only got 4 Wounds. It takes a really wussy meta to blanket ban all Lords of War, especially when Imperial Knights are in the game. If your meta bans all Lords of War, but doesn't ban Knights, you should probably think about causing a fuss. Because that's a massive double standard that you should not be okay with.

    With our Star Unit out of the way, we need a way to blow Vehicles at range. We could rely on the Star Unit to get into Melee with any major Vehicle, but that's a really bad idea. And if we do have to rely on our Star Unit, wouldn't it be better if whatever Vehicle that they were trying to bust was at least softened up? Of course it would.

    (0.72) Tankbustas (x5); x2 Bomb Squigs, Tankhammer, Boss Nob - 100 Points
    (1.80) Deffkopta; Twin-Linked Rokkit Launcher - 30 Points

    Yuck. Those options may be good, but they destroy your wallet. So if you're BoaB, you should absolutely stay away from them, regardless of how goo they may be. That said, Ork Deffkoptas liberally hang out on auction sites all the time (just like Grukk). If you can get a Deffkopta with a Rokkit at less than <$10, or <$30 for three, you should absolutely grab those deals if you're thinking about playing Orks in any serious fashion. But, auction sites are a scary place for some people, needing payment methods and delivery addresses on the internet (!), and sometimes the 'cost' may be slightly inflated by the fact that you may need to fix models or strip/repaint them. But that's up to you. BoaB assumes that you want to build your army as quickly as possible, so you can get playing big games, and waiting around a week or two for your delivery isn't conducive to that idea. But, if you're Orks, maybe you can spend that time painting some of your models? Let's keep going.

    (0.56) Blitza-Bommer - 135 Points

    Eh. It uses Bombs. Depending on how your opponent places his models and/or whether or not he moves forwards, you may not even be using those Bombs until Turn 3. Pass.

    (2.17) - Mek Gun; Zzap Gun - 23 Points

    *Vomit*
    Next we look at the Battlewagon. Arguably the best gun on it is the Killcannon. S7 Ordnance. Even rolling double-6s, it still only Glances AV13. This really isn't getting us anywhere, is it? How 'bout we just go straight to the biggest thing we can find. Works for Land Raiders, doesn't it?

    (0.38) Morkanaut; Kustom Force Field, Grot Riggers - 300 Points

    Not bad. Not bad at all. It's not perfect. But nothing in the Ork Codex is going to be. If you advance the Morkanaut with the Meganobz, you can back one unit up with the other. Since the 'Naut also packs a Klaw of Gork (or possibly Mork). Or just send your entire army forwards in a wave and get stuck in like a real Ork, which you can do, because all of your units have a 4+ Save or better, you don't need to be sitting in cover, and with double Force Fields on the board, you can even get coverage into your Boyz squads against Heavy Flamers. But, after just spending 300 Points on a Morkanaut, where're we at?

    1622 Points.

    Damn. We can't even fit in a second Morkanaut with no upgrades. But that's okay, because what we also don't have, is any sort of way of dealing with Fliers.

    (0.52) Dakkajet; x3 Twin-Linked Supa Shootas, Flyboss - 145 Points
    (0.54) Lootas (x5); x1 Mek; Kustom Mega-Blasta - 75 Points

    The Dakkajet wins by a margin. But since it does cost 145 Points, it's not like we can bring two of them.


    That only took a long time because I had to build two army lists. One for real men, and one for wussies.

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    (0.32) (W) Warboss - 102 Points
    'Eavy Armour, Twin-Linked Shoota, Big Choppa, Cybork Body, Da Lucky Stikk

    (0.92) Mek; Kustom Mega-Slugga - 25 Points
    (0.18) Mad Dok Grotsnik - 160 Points

    (0.34) Boyz (x10) - 143 Points
    x8 Shootas, 'Eavy Armour, Rokkit Launcha
    Boss Nob; 'Eavy Armour, Power Klaw, Bosspole

    (0.34) Boyz (x10) - 143 Points
    x8 Shootas, 'Eavy Armour, Rokkit Launcha
    Boss Nob; 'Eavy Armour, Power Klaw, Bosspole

    (0.34) Boyz (x10) - 143 Points
    x8 Shootas, 'Eavy Armour, Rokkit Launcha
    Boss Nob; 'Eavy Armour, Power Klaw, Bosspole

    (0.35) Boyz (x10) - 138 Points
    x8 Shootas, 'Eavy Armour, Rokkit Launcha
    Boss Nob; 'Eavy Armour, Power Klaw

    (0.21) Nobz (x5); x1 Kombi-Skorcha, x3 Power Klaws, 'Eavy Armour - 195 Points

    (0.21) Stompa; Grot Riggers - 800 Points

    Total: 1849 Points


    $482 AUD. Do you even know what that means!? 0.26! Don't tell me that a Stompa isn't cheap. You're wrong. Let's take a look at how much our other list costs to build...

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    Orks, CAD
    (Free) Big Mek; Mega Armour, Killsaw, Kustom Force Field - 135 Points
    (0.18) Mad Dok Grotsnik - 160 Points

    (0.34) Boyz (x10) - 143 Points
    x8 Shootas, 'Eavy Armour, Rokkit Launcha
    Boss Nob; 'Eavy Armour, Power Klaw, Bosspole

    (0.34) Boyz (x10) - 143 Points
    x8 Shootas, 'Eavy Armour, Rokkit Launcha
    Boss Nob; 'Eavy Armour, Power Klaw, Bosspole

    (0.34) Boyz (x10) - 143 Points
    x8 Shootas, 'Eavy Armour, Rokkit Launcha
    Boss Nob; 'Eavy Armour, Power Klaw, Bosspole

    (0.34) Boyz (x10) - 143 Points
    x8 Shootas, 'Eavy Armour, Rokkit Launcha
    Boss Nob; 'Eavy Armour, Power Klaw, Bosspole

    (0.44) Meganobz (x5); x2 Kombi-Skorchas, x3 Killsaws - 230 Points

    (0.52) Dakkajet; x3 Twin-Linked Supa Shootas, Flyboss - 145 Points

    (0.38) Morkanaut; Kustom Force Field, Grot Riggers - 300 Points
    (0.54) Lootas (x5); x1 Mek; Kustom Mega-Blasta - 75 Points

    (0.27) (W) Ghazghkull Thraka - 225 Points

    Total: 1842 Points.

    If you wanted to, you could have the Lootas ride inside the Morkanaut, and have the Mek patch it up.


    $675 AUD, or 0.36. That's right, kids! Exactly $5 less than it takes to build the cheapest Marines army (that isn't even that good).
    Skew lower if your currency is worth more, skew higher if your currency is worth less, obviously.

    If your meta blanket bans Lords of War and/or disallows doubling up Detachments for no good reason, you're in a lot of trouble if you want to play Orks - even if you don't want to save money! Just, in general. Orks really need to be allowed to build an army as written. Most restrictions that I've seen, end up screwing Orks in some fashion simply because of how their Codex operates and what slots all their best stuff is in.

    Also, for the continuing Ork player; If you're trawling auction sites for models, make sure to be on the lookout for Grukk Face-Rippa, and Deffkoptas with Rokkits.
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