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    Building on a Budget; Adeptus Mechanicus

    The aim of this exercise is to;
    1. Get to 2000 Points as cheaply as possible, while
    2. Not being bad.

    In case you didn't read that properly, there are two things that you need to consider. Firstly, just because it's cheap, doesn't mean it's good, or that you should buy it, and second, something that is good isn't necessarily 'worth it', because you simply don't have the money for it, or, maybe you'd be better off with multiple other things that cost less.

    The following post uses Points Costs from Chapter Approved (2017).

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    First up, as always, we're going to look at HQ and Troops.

    Belisarius Cawl; Nope. While he is nice for your wallet, you will end up suffering because the army he requires to be good (Rule #2), isn't cheap, and if you don't have those things, Cawl will end up just wasting space in your army. So don't bother.

    Tech-Priest Dominus; He hands out a fairly valuable Aura, and fixes your Vehicles, and has 2+/5++. He's what you want.

    Tech-Priest Enginseer; If your goal is a cheap HQ (it isn't), then sure. Unfortuantely he doesn't hand out the Aura that you need. You could get the metal Enginseers for less than half-price of the plastic ones. But it's not that much cheaper than the Dominus ends up being, and, he still doesn't hand out the Aura.

    Troops are easy. The Kataphron box is out, and the Skitarii box is in.

    The Start Collecting! box is great. Every time you buy a Skitarii box and a Dominus, get a Dunecrawler for almost nothing. This is extremely good, as Dunecrawlers are amazingly good, but, one their own, they are prohibitively expensive. Knowing that, we also know that the Skitarii box only has one Special weapon of each type, and can take up to three Special weapons per squad...And we also need a minimum of three Troops to form a Battalion, and a minimum of 2 HQs, and a minimum of two Dunecrawlers before they actually get good.

    Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points
    Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points
    Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points

    Skitarii Rangers (x10); x3 Transuranic Arquebuses, Omnispex - 152 Points
    Skitarii Rangers (x10); x3 Arc Rifles, Enhanced Data-tether - 87 Points
    Skitarii Vanguard (x10); x3 Plasma Calivers, Enhanced Data-tether - 127 Points

    Onager Dunecrawler; Cognis Heavy Stubber, Neutron Laser, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 140 Points
    Onager Dunecrawler; Icarus Array, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 130 Points
    Onager Dunecrawler; Icarus Array, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 130 Points

    Total: 1141 Points

    Perfect. 2+ Dominii. Check. 2+ Dunecrawlers? Check. x3 Skitarii sprues to maximise Special Weapons which coincidentally also makes x3 Troops units? Check. Is that too many Dominii? Probably. But you have the models. You can repair every Dunecrawler on the board, or you can give each of your Troops their own Aura which means that you can spread out and take board control. One of the sad facts is, aside from Imperial Knights, the Start Collecting! box is your best best for playing AdMech on a budget, and literally everything in it, is worth having.


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    Buy more.

    Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points
    Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points
    Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points
    Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points
    Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points
    Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points

    Skitarii Rangers (x10); x3 Transuranic Arquebuses, Omnispex - 152 Points
    Skitarii Rangers (x10); x3 Transuranic Arquebuses, Omnispex - 152 Points
    Skitarii Rangers (x10); x3 Arc Rifles, Enhanced Data-tether - 87 Points
    Skitarii Rangers (x10); x3 Arc Rifles, Enhanced Data-tether - 87 Points
    Skitarii Vanguard (x10); x3 Plasma Calivers, Enhanced Data-tether - 127 Points
    Skitarii Vanguard (x10); x3 Plasma Calivers, Enhanced Data-tether - 127 Points


    Onager Dunecrawler; Cognis Heavy Stubber, Neutron Laser, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 140 Points
    Onager Dunecrawler; Cognis Heavy Stubber, Neutron Laser, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 140 Points
    Onager Dunecrawler; Icarus Array, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 130 Points
    Onager Dunecrawler; Icarus Array, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 130 Points
    Onager Dunecrawler; Icarus Array, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 130 Points
    Onager Dunecrawler; Icarus Array, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 130 Points

    Total: 2282 2027 Points

    At this point, your eyes will have rolled back into your head. Problem? Yes, there is. The AdMech Codex isn't that deep, and you're on a budget. You can get pretty close just by buying six Start Collecting! boxes. But, as you can see, in order to do that, you have to drop a Dominii (remember we already had too many), and you'll have to drop a Dune Crawler (Do you really need six? No, really. Six!?). But, at that point, why do you even have the other dudes?
    Okay, scratch the sixth Start Collecting box. You only need five. Much better, right?

    Well, problems, now you've only got five of each Special weapon, and to make two Battalions, you need six Troops. So which Special weapons are safe to drop, and what kind of unit is usually fairly safe at a 5-man?

    Skitarii Rangers (x5); x2 Transuranic Arqubuses, Omnispex - 92 Points
    Skitarii Rangers (x5); x2 Transuranic Arqubuses, Omnispex - 92 Points
    Skitarii Rangers (x10); x3 Arc Rifles, Enhanced Data-tether - 87 Points
    Skitarii Rangers (x9); x2 Arc Rifles, Enchanced Data-tether - 76 Points
    Skitarii Vanguard (x10); x3 Plasma Calivers, Enhanced Data-tether - 127 Points
    Skitarii Vanguard (x9); x2 Plasma Calivers, Enhanced Data-tether - 105 Points

    Total: 1874 Points

    126 Points isn't a lot to play with.

    Sicarian Infiltrators (x5); Flechette Blasters, Taser Goads - 110 Points

    Gives you a bit of board control, and a Melee unit that's not half bad at a reasonable points cost. Interestingly, the 16 leftover points lets you put back the lone Ranger and Vanguard models you have (15). You wont have the third (sixth) special weapons, but what else are you going to do? Well, knowing that you can take all the models you own, is actually good to know. Knowing that you can fit all 10, means you can split some into 5-mans for the same cost.

    <Mars> doesn't help you. You don't have Cawl. <Graia> is very strong, as you're going to have 50 Infantry models on the board allowing you to hold Objectives, and not running away helps even more. <Graia>'s Warlord Trait also lets you shoot whilst in combat without falling back, <Metalica> is excellent for your Vanguard who don't want to take -1 To Hit on their Plasma weapons. But that's a pretty easy fix, with Protector Doctrina Imperative and Enchanced Data-tethers. But, Metalica's Warlord Trait is extremely strong for this list. <Lucius> is nothing. <Agripnaa> doesn't help you at all. <Stygies VIII> is extremely valuable, especially as you're going to have a couple of squads 'in the back', and some of them are even 5-mans. But, Stygies' Stratagem also allows you to take early board control, which sets up your Infiltrators to go somewhere good. <Ryza> is also helpful, as their Dogma helps your Infiltrators, and their Stratagem is extremely strong on a unit with massed Plasma.

    Graia, Battalion
    (W) Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points
    Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points

    Skitarii Rangers (x10); x3 Arc Rifles, Enhanced Data-tether - 87 Points
    Skitarii Rangers (x5); Arc Rifle - 39 Points
    Skitarii Vanguard (x10); x2 Plasma Calivers, Enhanced Data-tether - 113 Points

    Onager Dunecrawler; Icarus Array, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 130 Points
    Onager Dunecrawler; Icarus Array, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 130 Points

    Stygies VIII, Batallion
    Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points
    Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points

    Skitarii Rangers (x5); x2 Transuranic Arqubuses, Omnispex - 92 Points
    Skitarii Rangers (x5); x2 Transuranic Arqubuses, Omnispex - 92 Points
    Skitarii Rangers (x5); Arc Rifle, Enhanced Data-tether - 44 Points

    Onager Dunecrawler; Cognis Heavy Stubber, Neutron Laser, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 140 Points
    Onager Dunecrawler; Cognis Heavy Stubber, Neutron Laser, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 140 Points
    Onager Dunecrawler; Icarus Array, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 130 Points

    Ryza, Patrol
    Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points
    Skitarii Vanguard (x10); x3 Plasma Calivers, Enhanced Data-tether - 127 Points
    Sicarian Infiltrators (x5); Flechette Blasters, Taser Goads - 110 Points

    Total: 1999 Points | 9 CPs

    List was 2004. Drop a Data-tether. Done.

    I know you're probably new. But if you're locking yourself into a single paint scheme, you're in for a bad time. The Codex doesn't work that way. Each <Forge World> is good at a thing, except the way that the game works, is that your army pretty much has to be reasonably good at everything.


    Spoiler: ...Zzz
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    Okay, let's pretend you don't want to go to sleep, and you actually like the Belisarius Cawl model, you want to have fun by having more different models, and you actually like the part of the hobby where your entire army is the same colour. You sacrifice a bit on Rule #2. But hey, remember having fun? Well, surprise, the Core List ain't going anywhere, so that's 1141 Points, and you're obviously going to pick up Cawl, and as many Robots as you can. So, if we know we're going to take Cawl, and have him standing next to Robots the whole time, you know your Robots are going to have re-rolls To Hit in the Shooting phase, so the Heavy Phosphor Blaster slightly edges out the Indendine Combustor when you've got Cawl. Which you do. When you get into combat the Kastelan Fists are extremely strong, and you have nothing else in your Core List designed to punch people in the face, so that's really important.

    Belisarius Cawl - 240 Points
    Cybernetica Datasmith; Gamma Pistol, Power Fist - 44 Points
    Cybernetica Datasmith; Gamma Pistol, Power Fist - 44 Points
    Kastelan Robots (x4); Heavy Phosphor Blaster, Kastelan Fists - 460 Points

    Total: 1929 Points

    70 Points doesn't give you a whole lot to work with. 10 Rangers, with no Special weapons and no Data-Tether or Omnispex? Or make them two units of five? ...Yeah. Do that. Of course, three Dunecrawlers and one (or two, if you feel like it) of Robots is too many Heavy choices.

    Mars, Battalion
    Belisarius Cawl - 240 Points
    (W) Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points
    Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points

    Skitarii Rangers (x10); x3 Transuranic Arquebuses, Omnispex - 152 Points
    Skitarii Rangers (x10); x3 Arc Rifles, Enhanced Data-tether - 87 Points
    Skitarii Rangers (x5) - 35 Points
    Skitarii Rangers (x5) - 35 Points
    Skitarii Vanguard (x10); x3 Plasma Calivers, Enhanced Data-tether - 127 Points

    Onager Dunecrawler; Cognis Heavy Stubber, Neutron Laser, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 140 Points
    Onager Dunecrawler; Icarus Array, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 130 Points

    Mars, Spearhead
    Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points

    Cybernetica Datasmith; Gamma Pistol, Power Fist - 44 Points
    Cybernetica Datasmith; Gamma Pistol, Power Fist - 44 Points

    Kastelan Robots (x2); Heavy Phosphor Blaster, Kastelan Fists - 230 Points
    Kastelan Robots (x2); Heavy Phosphor Blaster, Kastelan Fists - 230 Points
    Onager Dunecrawler; Icarus Array, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 130 Points

    Total: 1999 Points | 7 CPs

    Why isn't Belisarius Cawl the Warlord? Well, to be honest, his Warlord Trait isn't very good. You're better off with #1, and Cawl running off with the Robots and the Vangaurd, leaving the rest of your army behind. If Cawl is moving forwards with the Robots, it really doesn't matter how big his Auras are, because he's not going to be in range anyway, and with the amount of Dominii you have running around, you've got coverage anyway.

    Instead of 2x5 Rangers, you can run 1x10.
    Instead of 2x2 Robots, you can run 1x4. But you will have to switch one of your Dunecrawlers to make that Spearhead.

    Note: Saint Celestine is one of the best models in the <Imperium> Super-Faction. If she sounds even vaguely like something that you will want in the future (you absolutely do), in the long-term, it is cheaper to buy the Triumverate of the Imperium. Additionally, you get Inquisitor Greyfax with Cawl and Celestine. But Greyfax is pretty terrible. But, you do get her free, and you can always sell her on, or use her as some kind of conversion base. However, if you aren't interested in Celestine (Why the Hell not? Are you crazy!?), then in the short-term it is cheaper to buy Cawl by himself.


    Spoiler: But I want it.
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    Then you turn to the back of your book, and see that you have rules for Imperial Knights. Why would you not want to run one? And, turns out, they're the most points-efficient thing you can buy (not including SC! boxes, obviously). There are two weapons you want to look at; The Avenger Gatling Cannon is good against pretty much everything, and the Thermal Cannon is pretty decent against single models (Vehicles) but not much else, and in Melee a Knight can dominate just by using its Titanic Feet.

    Knight Errant: You can buy the cheap box, which only contains enough parts to make a Knight Errant (Thermal Cannon & Chainsword) and nothing else. That's...Kind of what you want, really. It's cheap. It's...Fine.
    Knight Warden: You can buy the more expensive box, and pick up the Avenger Gatling Cannon. But, in the same box, you have the parts to make...
    Knight Crusader: Thermal Cannon and Avenger Gatling Cannon. It might hurt your wallet paying the extra price. But, once you have a Crusader, you'll never not use it ever again.

    Knight Crusader; Avenger Gatling Cannon, Thermal Cannon, Heavy Stubber, Heavy Flamer - 512 Points

    1141 + 512 = 1653 Points.

    That's a load of points. But, really, you saw that coming. Gives you almost 350 Points to play with after that. You could pick up a unit of Robots, and with that big, stomping Knight running around, the x2 Robots aren't really going to get picked on. Or, your opponent is going to realise pretty quickly that he can't hurt your Knight, and try to ignore it...In which case you punish them for ignoring your Knight...And it's not like Robots are exactly an easy Kill Point on that front anyway, especially if they're Stygies and have slightly more time to move up the board.

    Cybernetica Datasmith; Gamma Pistol, Power Fist - 44 Points
    Kastelan Robots (x2); Heavy Phosphor Blaster, Kastelan Fists - 230 Points

    1927 Points. Well, more Rangers, I guess.

    Stygies VIII, Battalion
    Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points
    Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points

    Skitarii Rangers (x10); x3 Transuranic Arquebuses, Omnispex - 152 Points
    Skitarii Rangers (x10); x3 Arc Rifles, Enhanced Data-tether - 87 Points
    Skitarii Rangers (x5) - 35 Points
    Skitarii Rangers (x5) - 35 Points
    Skitarii Vanguard (x10); x3 Plasma Calivers, Enhanced Data-tether - 127 Points

    Onager Dunecrawler; Cognis Heavy Stubber, Neutron Laser, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 140 Points

    Stygies VIII, Spearhead
    Tech-Preist Dominus; Macrostubber, Volkite Blaster, Omnissian Axe - 125 Points

    Cybernetica Datasmith; Gamma Pistol, Power Fist - 44 Points

    Kastelan Robots (x2); Heavy Phosphor Blaster, Kastelan Fists - 230 Points
    Onager Dunecrawler; Icarus Array, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 130 Points
    Onager Dunecrawler; Icarus Array, Broad Spectrum Data-tether - 130 Points

    Questor Mechanicus, Super-Heavy Auxiliary Deatchment
    Knight Crusader; Avenger Gatling Cannon, Thermal Cannon, Heavy Stubber, Heavy Flamer - 512 Points

    Total: 1997 Points | 7 CPs

    Neat. You'd be better off making the Battalion Graia. But the problem is that Dominii can only repair models from their Forge World, and your Robots and Dunecrawlers really prefer being Stygies.
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