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    Default Re: What's the most powerful 3.5 core build?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnaeus View Post
    Where is the Zodar in your core books?

    Or genesis or improvisation for that matter.
    I forgot about that. Zodar and Shapechange is so interlinked i often forget to separate them in a core-only discussion. Genesis is core.

    So it's definitive. Wizard wins. With wealth, difference between Wizard and Druid is trivial for levels 1-6, sometimes wizard is stronger sometimes druid is, but at level 7-20 wizard wins hands down.

    So now about an actual build instead of just class discussion, the strongest core only wizard build will be...
    1. 18 Int (or 20, not sure if human is most optimal)
    2. Eschew Materials
    3. Spell Focus:Conjuration and Greater Spell Focus:Conjuration
    4. Spell Penetration and Greater Spell Penetration

    Levels 1-6
    Animal or Hireling Army or Both supported by BFC spells like Web, Glitterdust, Haste, Stinking Cloud, etc.

    Levels 7-8
    Animate Dead Army supported by BFC spells.

    Levels 9-20
    Ye old tippy Planar Binding by debuff spamming the outsider's charisma check to oblivion so that even if you roll a 1 and the outsider breaks free, it's helpless on the ground and you just Coup De Grace it and try again with another outsider. The best outsiders have will saves and SR in the stratosphere which is why I got those feats. Be sure to Dimensional Anchor the outsider in addition to Dimensional Anchoring the magic circle so if you do roll a 1 the outsider can't teleport away.

    Also infinite wealth (Fabricate).

    Levels 13-20
    Eschew Materials + Simulacrum to create normal hd (not half hd) Simulacra of any creature in the game. (achieved by creating Simulacra of advanced creatures whose hd is double the base creatures so when halved, is normal). Basically the hd of the creature is equal to your caster level.

    Levels 17-20
    Gate I win. Genesis shenanigans.

    I think General > Specialist since all the PB debuff spells are all over the schools. Evocation is contingency so banning that might also not be a good idea.

    Now if someone could post their munchkin druid build we can compare.
    Last edited by RoboEmperor; 2019-06-04 at 02:11 PM.