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    Default Re: MitD XIII: Learning is happening

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    Topic: altering the FBS requirements.

    Result: Voting is Closed. No Change (Z) has it, due to absolute majority in the first round

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    Collected voting options:
    A) Add "must be minimum Challenge Rating of 18, if a D&D creature"
    B) Replace "7) Is vulnerable to mind-affecting effects (SoD)" with "7) lacks god-level mind-affecting effect immunity (SoD)."
    C) Add "must not be an embodiment of Evil" requirement
    D) Remove "7) Is vulnerable to mind-affecting effects (SoD)" requirement
    Z) No Change

    Collected votes:

    Voter PV 1 PV 2 PV 3 PV 4 PV 5 PV 6
    Grey Wolf Z A
    Kish A+B Any(A,B) D
    Doug Lampert A+B Any(A,B) Any(A,D)
    Throknor Z
    Squire Doodad Z
    Keltest Z
    Sir_Norbert D Z
    woweedd C C+A C+B
    Darth Paul Z
    lio45 C C+Any(A,B,D)
    Aspheric Z A
    CriticalFailure A+B+C Any(A,B,C)
    The Aboleth Z
    Crusher Z
    Jaxzan Proditor Z C Any(B,C)

    Reason for my vote: We've been using CR18 as a gross rule of thumb for minimum power level for MitD for forever, so I wouldn't be completely opposed to adding it in, but I have heard often enough in this thread the opinion that CR is horrendously mismanaged, with some creatures having been given too much or too little to be trusted that I do not feel it should be more official than a gross rule of thumb. I won't mind it, but it definitely takes second place to not adding it.

    B, on the other hand, I feel is way more punctilious and specific than any of the FBS rules should be. I barely understand what is aiming for, and I suspect too many people would come asking what exactly it means for me to want to face it. And as I said, I don't like the idea of voting again on something that already was voted down last time - it strikes me as wasting everyone's time- so even though I do like C, I stand with the results of the last vote.

    Grey Wolf
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