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    Default Party Design Contest!

    I think its been long enough without a contest, don't you? For this one, the idea is to create a small party of adventurers suitable for use as NPCs or premade PCs in a generic D&D setting. Here are the rules:

    1) There must be some sort of thematic link for the party, common for each member of the group. The theme is up to you, but it must be clearly stated at the start of your entry post.

    2) The party should consist of no fewer than 4 characters and no more than 7. It should be a fully functional D&D party - that is, it should have at least a healer, an arcane caster (or equivalent), a front line fighter, and a skilled character. This requirement is flexible - just don't have a party of all evocation focussed wizards, for example.

    3) Avoid using non-SRD material if at all possible, especially when it comes to classes and races. Try to stick to races with no, or a very small, Level Adjustment. Every character should have at least one or two levels in a base class. The party should also not be setting specific. All party members should be of the same level (adjusted for LA if neccessary), and the party should not be epic level (level 20 cap).

    3a) If you want, feel free to use OGL material the Giant has posted here, such as his Tools of the Trade feats.

    3b) Level Adjustment clarifications: Try to avoid having characters with an LA more than about 1/2 their final equivalent level, but if you have a cool concept, just make sure it has at least a couple class levels. More importantly, I am going to restrict potential monster PCs to only those creatures in the SRD with a listed Level Adjustment.

    4) Each party member should be made using the following starting stat set, before racial or level adjustmets (arrange as desired): 16, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8. Use the standard PC Wealth by Level guidelines for gear as described in the DMG.

    5) You should list the stats of each character in a standard NPC stat block. For example:
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    Fighter 6th
    Hit Dice: 6d10+24 (61 hp)
    Initiative: +6
    Speed: 20 ft. (4 squares; full plate armor); base 30 ft. (6 squares)
    Armor Class: 26 (+2 Dex, +10 armor, +2 Armor Specialization, +2 shield), touch 12, flat-footed 22
    Base Attack/Grapple: +6/+9
    Attack: Battleaxe +11 melee (1d8+6, 20/x3)
    Full Attack: Battleaxe +11/+6 melee (1d8+6, 20/x3)
    Space/Reach: 5 ft./5 ft.
    Saves: Fort +11, Ref +6, Will +5
    Abilities: Str 17, Dex 14, Con 19, Int 13, Wis 12, Cha 10
    Skills: Craft (armorsmithing) +5, Craft (weaponsmithing) +5, Hide -3, Intimidate +9, Move Silently -3, Ride +10, Spot +5, Survival +3. Armor Check Penalty -5.
    Feats: Armor Focus (full plate armor), Armor Specialization (full plate armor), Cleave, Combat Expertise, Improved Trip, Power Attack, Weapon Focus (battleaxe), Weapon Specialization (battleaxe)

    Equipment: +2 full plate armor, masterwork heavy steel shield, +1 cold iron battleaxe, cloak of resistance +2, 240 gp.
    6) In addition to the raw stats, each entry should include a short bit of flavor text introducing the party, and short sections for physical description, personality, and background of each party member.

    7) Each new party should be started on a new thread here on the Contests board, dedicated to just that party and the discussion of it. Put the tag [Party] in front of the title of that thread. Any thread without this tag will not be officially entered.

    6.) Post on this thread to let the mods know that you have entered a party. We'll try to keep a post with all the entries listed in one place for easy reference.

    7.) The contest begins today, 7th May. All entries may be altered and revised up until the deadline, 31st May; you may even add additional items to your set. On 1st June, we will lock all entry threads temporarily for the voting period (details of which will be announced at that time).

    8.) Categories of voting and judgement will include the following:

    * Best Overall Party
    * Most Humorous Party
    * Best Exploration of a Theme
    * Best Flavor Text
    * The Order of the Stick Award (Best Good Party)
    * The Linear Guild Award (Best Evil Party)
    * Gorby's Official Seal of Approval (Rich has said that the Website Staff Award is being phased out since the staff don't all have time to read all the entries, so the contest organizer will select one for his or her personal award)

    Depending on the number of entries, I may add award categories for Best Low Level Party, Best High Level party, that sort of thing.

    9.) I'll try and swing it so all winners receive a custom title for the months of June and April, so they can gloat.

    I may throw in something extra myself, too. ;)

    If you have any questions or need any clarifications, feel free to ask.

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    Something to Prove is up, at least in skeletal form. I'm fleshing out the Cleric as I type.

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    Question, when you say a very small level adjustment, what's the cutoff? 2? 3?
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    Right, added the initial 'connecting theme' flavour text to mine, now posting here to enter 'The Grey Men' officially.

    Edit: Withdrawn due to last-minute apathy. ;) Throwing all my hopes on Heroes of the Stage.

    Question: are we allowed to enter more than one party, as in the past? (If so, do we edit our entry post here for conciseness, or make a new one to be sure of getting listed?)
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    The Flying Squirrels are in, with much work still needed.
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    Wait, aren't we supposed to wait until we have completed the entry?
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    Default Re: Party Design Contest!

    Quote Originally Posted by Pumpkinetics
    Question, when you say a very small level adjustment, what's the cutoff? 2? 3?
    It really depends on the party level. As a rule of thumb, I'd say the Level Adjutsment should not account for more than about 1/2 of the character's equivalent level (round down). For example, a 2nd level character shouldn't have an LA of more than +1, and an 9th level character shouldn't have an LA of more than +4.

    The rationale is really to prevent parties from being made up of creatures with no class levels - this takes out a good chunk of the design process and makes it a group of monsters rather than a true party.

    This isn't really a hard and fast rule so much as a guideline to encourage you to do more design work than simply copying over monster stats and giving it a name and a bit of backstory. The contest is supposed to test both your ability to do &quot;crunchy&quot; bits and &quot;fluff.&quot;

    And White Blade is correct, please wait until it is complete to post your entry to this thread. I won't penalize or remove those already posted here, as I didn't make this clear earlier, but from here on out please refrain. This is really only to make it easier for me to identify elligible entries when it comes time to vote, which is why I don't consider it a big deal right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorbash Kazdar
    3) Avoid using non-SRD material if at all possible, especially when it comes to classes and races. [...]

    If you have any questions or need any clarifications, feel free to ask.
    How stringent is #3? Most of the books I own, while WOTC published, are most definitely not includedin the SRD. I've already got a theme in mind, and a name ... but it definitely isn't at all possible without going beyond the SRD. In fact, the race I'd be using (yes, just one, though with some subrace goodness thrown in) isn't ever going to come anywhere NEAR the SRD.

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    The stricture on sources is to make the entries useful to as many people as possible, and to avoid violating the OGL. If you really have to go with something not in the SRD, go ahead, but be aware that it will limit the useability of the entry. Also, violations of the OGL aren't allowed.

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    Okay. I'm aware it's a disadvantage contest-wise, but then, Eberron is pretty popular anyway. So, it seems the Artificial Heroes will have their day in the not-so-artifical sun, after all! ^_^

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    1/4 of &quot;The Misfit Villians&quot; is done http://www.giantitp.com/cgi-bin/yabb...0113;start=0#0

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    I have a start on my idea for the order of the radient claw. It more than just stretches the &quot;try to stick to races with a low level adjustment&quot; ruling, but other that that it should be alright. Statistics and more background to come.

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    I put up To Save a Princess.

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    I know everyone's just getting started, but I did want to clarify a bit about flavor text. I meant there to be some sort of introduction to the party, beyond simply describing the group in general terms. Two of the previous contest - Screen Name PrC and Festival - are pretty good examples of stuff that can work. This doesn't have to be particularly long at all, if you don't want.

    Flavor text for voting does include background and personality information, but those intro pieces can help get people into an entry before you get right down into stats and backgrounds.

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    Okay, I've noticed this in a couple places, so I'll post it here rather than chase down all the entry threads.

    Please put your entire entry in the first post of the thread.

    If it doesn't fit for some reason or something, go ahead and do multiple posts, but make a note of why. If you have more than one post now, you should be able to remove the extras yourself, but if not, send me a PM when you've got it all in one post and I'll get rid of the excess :)

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    Right, right...so mine's up. ;D

    Just to clarify: It's okay that I put up a thread, but leave it incomplete for now, correct? Also, how much flavor text are we looking for? A paragraph per character? I've already fleshed out about a page's worth each for half my party (including stats).

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    In the judging stage of the competition will the partys submitted be checked to see if they are indeed legitimate?
    If so, how rigorous is the checking and what penalties (if any apply).

    Also, I have a problem because I was designing a charachter using the PHB 3.5 and DMG 3.5, it was worded so that I could do something. But when browsing the SRD it had a different wording making it seem that I could not. My second question is which resource do I follow to be in keeping with the rules of the game. On the other hand could I use the rules in the PHB 3.5 and DMG 3.5 and state the rule as it occurs in the book under my party entry?
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    Two things:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorbash Kazdar
    Please wait until it is complete to post your entry to this thread. I won't penalize or remove those already posted here, as I didn't make this clear earlier, but from here on out please refrain.
    2. My party specifically has very low wealth. I'm assuming that's okay, but just clarifying.
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    That's fine, Pumpkinetics; I just don't want to see parties that are way overpowered in the gear department.

    And, yes, to repeat, I would like you to hold off on posting links here until your party is finished. Again, I'm not removing any incomplete ones that have been posted so far, but don't do it anymore. Any unfinished links hereafter will be dq'd for the staff award. (Note: by unfinished I mean that you haven't met the basic qualification requirements - if you have to go back and tweak stats and edit information later, that's fine, but you should have an entry that meets all the requirements before you post a link here).

    If I have to make a third statement about this, any unfinished links after that one will be completely dq'd from the contest :P So don't do it, k? ;)


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    I encourage all of you to go over other entries as well to make suggestions and point out errors for the contestants - just be nice about it, and be willing to accept constructive criticism on your own entry. And feel free to simply offer praise where feel it is due :)

    Fair warning: I have a zero tolerance policy for bashing other people's entries. If your post is simply telling someone how bad their entry is or anything of that sort, your entry will be dq'd and you will recieve an official warning. It's hard to post your work out in public where everyone can see it, so I want everyone to know they and their work are not going to be ridiculed. Just keep in mind how you feel about your work when you post, and you should be fine :)

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    Is the stat block before or after racial mods?
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    Obviously before, exactly as the Elite array.

    Edit : in fact, you used &quot;stat block&quot;, and that's confusing. What I said, was that the 16,14,...,8 array was before any racial modifier. But in the stat block, you put the effective stats, with all modifiers.
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    Question: Are custom-made magic items allowed? I ask because my item-dominated Wizard has a high Will save, giving him a 50% chance of beating the item's Ego. To solve this, I've had the item force him to craft a magic vest that gives -10 on will saves = total control. Without this, it'll be a problem to keep him under control, so I hope that's allowed.

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    "Is a stack of ten pancakes too many pancakes to give to the party, even if most of them fell on the floor and one or two were stepped on? I wanted to give my party pancakes as a reward but I'm unsure if it's too much. The pancakes are also laced with blowfish poison so the party would have to get an antitoxin before they could eat the ones which weren't pulverized by shoes."

    I don't think anyone would want those pancakes even if you paid them to eat them.

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    Glyph, your idea is really really cool (frankly I'm jealous). Just felt I had to say that.

    Anyway; I'd say, just handwave away the DC for the save; assume the wizard was unlucky enough to roll a &quot;natural 1&quot; on the save vs Dominate.

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    SHould Wealth by Level be on EL or Class levels?
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    I'm pretty sure that character wealth is according to equivalent level... but if anyone knows the official rules for this and I'm wrong, feel free to correct me :)

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    When is the cut off date for the contest?? I've come up with a brilliant ideal, and need some time to work on it. So im seeing if I have enough time. . .
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    The contest ends at 12:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time (EDT) June 1st, 2005 ;) You can work on your entry right up until then. At that point, all threads containing entries will be locked, and the voting will start shortly thereafter (and will probably run for 3-4 days).

    Since I can't actually lock all the threads exactly at 12:01, there is a bit of an honor system - don't edit after that time, even if I haven't gotten to locking your thread yet. Edits after 12:01 EDT June 1st will cause disqualification.

    (In case you're not sure what 12:01 Eastern Daylight is for you, it's Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) -4:00, so it'll be 4:01 AM GMT June 1st. You should be able to take it from there :))

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    Hmm, I dont know if thats enough time. Hahahaha, just playing, sweet, time to write. . .
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    Edit: Im just curious, but if you win more then one contest. Do you get two award mentions under you user-name?? This is for future refrence. ;D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorbash Kazdar
    I'm pretty sure that character wealth is according to equivalent level... but if anyone knows the official rules for this and I'm wrong, feel free to correct me :)
    You're in luck - the official rule is, indeed, that ECl is what counts for wealth-by-level.

    The way it works is this: if the GM says &quot;everyone make a 4th level character&quot;, what she is really saying is, &quot;everyone make characters with 6,000XP and 5,400gp&quot;. It doesn't matter if those 4 levels are all class levels, a mix of class levels and level adjustment, if some of them are racial hit dice, or WHAT. ^_^

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    Could someone please explain how to make url's work?? You know, how you put a link with a name, so intead of pasteing the link all you need to do is click on the title.
    Can someone please tell me the appropreate wealth for a level 9 charicter?? The SRD dosent have wealth-by-level guideline charts, atleast none that I can find. . .
    These will help greatly with my entry, thank you.
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