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    If a creature with multiple heads (ettin, hydra, Tiamat, etc) has a helm of opposite alignment forced on one head and fails its save, are all heads affected, or just the one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris Strife View Post
    If a creature with multiple heads (ettin, hydra, Tiamat, etc) has a helm of opposite alignment forced on one head and fails its save, are all heads affected, or just the one?
    Well, Tiamat would be unaffected. I don't think the hydra is smart enough to have an alignment other than neutral, but unless each head has it's own personality, it should affect the whole creature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krrth View Post
    Well, Tiamat would be unaffected. I don't think the hydra is smart enough to have an alignment other than neutral, but unless each head has it's own personality, it should affect the whole creature.
    Don't HoOA affect outsiders? Or is Tiamat immune due to Divine Rank stuff?

    The Tiamat part is currently a hypothetical question anyways.

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    Demogorgon would bust a horrible tentacled half-baboon half-scaly-cat nut if you threw a Helm on one of his heads and he rolled a 1 (just gotta keep trying). The Abyss might just implode.

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    Divine rank. Since Tiamat is a God, you can't change her alignment.
    As for the others, as long as it's smart enough to have an alignment, and each head doesn't have a different personality, you're good to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xefas View Post
    Demogorgon would bust a horrible tentacled half-baboon half-scaly-cat nut if you threw a Helm on one of his heads and he rolled a 1 (just gotta keep trying). The Abyss might just implode.
    *spews like he triggered a MoJ*
    So, would it affect one head or both? What about an aspect of Tiamat?

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    I am curious more about the potential fights that this would cause. Comic gold I tell you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluelantern View Post
    I am curious more about the potential fights that this would cause. Comic gold I tell you!
    I know. Imagine the laughs if some of Tiamat's heads turned good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris Strife View Post
    I know. Imagine the laughs if some of Tiamat's heads turned good!
    They can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krrth View Post
    They can't.
    Rule 0. All I need to do is talk my DM into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris Strife View Post
    Rule 0. All I need to do is talk my DM into it.
    Yes, but using rule 0 on in discussions like these is usually frowned upon. By RAW, you can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krrth View Post
    Yes, but using rule 0 on in discussions like these is usually frowned upon. By RAW, you can't.
    Fine, how about rule of funny? A HoOA supercharged by Hlal herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris Strife View Post
    Fine, how about rule of funny? A HoOA supercharged by Hlal herself.
    Still the same principle. Since RAW is the closest thing that everyone has as a base, that's what is used.
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    The "supercharging" would have to boost the save DC quite a bit, too. Gods don't automatically fail saves on natural 1s, and no god's will save is below the pathetic (at that power level) save DC of a HoOA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by douglas View Post
    The "supercharging" would have to boost the save DC quite a bit, too. Gods don't automatically fail saves on natural 1s, and no god's will save is below the pathetic (at that power level) save DC of a HoOA.
    Even then, it doesn't matter. From the SRD:
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    Quote Originally Posted by douglas View Post
    The "supercharging" would have to boost the save DC quite a bit, too. Gods don't automatically fail saves on natural 1s, and no god's will save is below the pathetic (at that power level) save DC of a HoOA.
    Hlal, Olidamarra, Aasterinian, Garl Glittergold and Fharlanghan all chip in then. :p

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    If somebody managed to slip a Helm of Opposite Alignment onto one of the heads of Tiamat, I would rule that it would be effective, solely for the lulz that would inevitably ensue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjones View Post
    If somebody managed to slip a Helm of Opposite Alignment onto one of the heads of Tiamat, I would rule that it would be effective, solely for the lulz that would inevitably ensue.
    Just one head or all five?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris Strife View Post
    Just one head or all five?
    JUST one head. Otherwise, it's not as LULZ-inducing.
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