GITP Monster Competition Chat Thread II

[Sir Shadow]

:D I am so happy to already be receiving reviews of the Snap Dragon.

I had already come to the same conclusion as you and bumped up the dragon's int to 11. I'll admit, it was because I was looking at the MM entry for the pegasus and saw that it's intelligence was 10. I thought, 'there is no way in the nine hells I'm gonna make a dragon that's dummer than a flying horse.' <<;;;

[DracoDei]

Snap Dragons almost certainly need an ability justifying the fact they get two bites for their full-attack.

[Joxer t' Mighty]

Just posted my first try into these contests! From an old legend about warriors springing from the ground where dragon's teeth were planted, but they're original enough otherwise, right?

Funny how my entry could share the same name with Shadow's

[BisectedBrioche]

Just posted my first try into these contests! From an old legend about warriors springing from the ground where dragon's teeth were planted, but they're original enough otherwise, right?

Funny how my entry could share the same name with Shadow's

Damn, I wish I'd thought of that...or not since I'd have to think of a new idea at this point. Good luck to ya.

[Sir Shadow]

Snap Dragons almost certainly need an ability justifying the fact they get two bites for their full-attack.

um, why? it was considered in their CR, I don't see the need for a named ability that gives them that.

[Kallisti]

um, why? it was considered in their CR, I don't see the need for a named ability that gives them that.

Because according to the regular rules you can only get one bite attack per round without magic. You don't get iterative attacks with bites, becasue they're always considered secondary natural attacks (or at leat, every monster and character I've ever seen in any source, even if bite is its only attack, has used those rules. I could just be being clueless.) The problem isn't CR, it's just that unusual abilities are usually justified to prevent people from thinking they were mistakes.

[Sir Shadow]

Because according to the regular rules you can only get one bite attack per round without magic. You don't get iterative attacks with bites, becasue they're always considered secondary natural attacks.

Right, it's not an iterative attack, it just gets two bites on a full attack action. But there's ways around it without using magic... like if you have two heads... but that's not the case here, why am I rambling like this?.

The problem isn't CR, it's just that unusual abilities are usually justified to prevent people from thinking they were mistakes.

I understand that the CR's not the problem, I was just saying that the second attack made about as much a dent in the CR as giving it an ability to have a second attack would. However, you make a convincing point, the only reason I may give it an ability to do so is so that posterity won't think it was a typo for whatever reason.

EDIT from SRD: "A creature’s primary natural weapon is its most effective natural attack, usually by virtue of the creature’s physiology, training, or innate talent with the weapon. An attack with a primary natural weapon uses the creature’s full attack bonus."
so yea, the primary natural attack is his bite, since it's the only natural attack it has.

Also from SRD:"Creatures do not receive additional attacks from a high base attack bonus when using natural weapons. The number of attacks a creature can make with its natural weapons depends on the type of the attack—generally, a creature can make one bite attack... Refer to the individual monster descriptions."
As far as I can tell, there is no "rule" that states how many attacks it can have (other than the iterative thing, but as I said before that's not the case here). From what I see, it's up to the creator of the monster.

[BisectedBrioche]

In regards to Slaad's dragon victim, maybe its "Draconic Loathing" ability should also make it immune to dragons' Frightful presence?

[SlaadLord]

I don't think undead are subject to fear effects.

[BisectedBrioche]

Oh yeah...

EDIT to avoid doubleposting;

My entry, the Dracolocust Swarm, is up. For the best effect, imagine the opening text being read out by David Attenborough.

[Debihuman]

Oooh goodie. Dragons. I've designed a couple of dragons but posted them a long while back. Can I enter one in this contest or do I have to make up a whole new one?

Debby

[SlaadLord]

I think (but I'm not sure) that if it's been posted here or anywhere else before, you can't use it...

[Debihuman]

I was afraid of that.

Debby

[Sir Shadow]

All entries must be a new creation, not one already posted.

:(

Just whitespace, nothing to see here...

[Sir Shadow]

I think the dracolocust swarm's CR could be raised a little. Mostly due to the HP and how much damage it does.

[BisectedBrioche]

I think the dracolocust swarm's CR could be raised a little. Mostly due to the HP and how much damage it does.

I already increased it a bit from what I calculated (since the fire immunity removes one of it's weaknesses as a swarm). What CR do you think it should have?

[Sir Shadow]

I'd say 7 or 8. Swarms can be countered very well by certain things, but there are a lot of classes that would have problems against them. Also, I'd suggest giving them the (Fire) subtype.

[BisectedBrioche]

I'd say 7 or 8. Swarms can be countered very well by certain things, but there are a lot of classes that would have problems against them. Also, I'd suggest giving them the (Fire) subtype.

The fire related abilities come from it being a draconic creature. I don't think dragons or half dragons have elemental subtypes.

[DracoDei]

Some of them most certainly do... Golds and Reds are [Fire] for instance, while Silvers and Whites are [Cold]. Some of the Crystal dragons are [Earth], and I know I went ahead any made my Wing Dragons [Air] and nobody said a word against it...

[BisectedBrioche]

*checks SRD*

Well I'll be...

[Sir Shadow]

:D that's where their immunities and weaknesses should come from.

[BisectedBrioche]

Hang on, I was half right. Half dragons don't have the subtype...

[Sir Shadow]

? why do half-dragons factor in to this at all?

[BisectedBrioche]

? why do half-dragons factor in to this at all?

How closly did you read the flavour text?

[Sir Shadow]

Oh dur. I was still thinking about crunch and the template 'Half-Dragon' specifically. Also, are you implying that... ewww....

but still... it should be noted that Half-Dragons receive an immunity but no weakness, unlike the dracolocusts.

[BisectedBrioche]

Yeah, I didn't want to take away one method of dealing with swarms at lower levels (being able to use a torch to damage them) without giving them some weakness in return.

[Bhu]

My PC is crapping out so I prolly won't be able to do a regular dragon, I'll have to do a related entity if I can even do that (but I notice most of the entries are like that anyway).

[Sir Shadow]

XD I figured most people would be doing True Dragons, that's why I did a related one.

[SlaadLord]

I took one look at true dragons and stifled a snort. Unless you have one you've already written up, that's quite a lot of work to do. So I chickened out.

[Sir Shadow]

Well, the competition does last one month.