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2009-01-17, 10:42 PM (ISO 8601)Titan in the Playground
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Will: Pigeonholed?
Just about everything needs Reflex saves, and most things will need Fortitude for one reason or another.
But Will... it seems all effects that I can find requiring Will saveshas the [Mind-Affecting] descriptor. Similarly, it seems constructs essentially don't require their Will saves.
Can anyone give me examples of effects requiring Will saves that constructs are not immune to or that do not have the [Mind-Affecting] descriptor?Need a place to hang? Like Discord? Don't mind dealing with a capricious demon lord? Then you're welcome to join our LGBTQ+ friendly, often silly, very geeky server to discuss food, music, video games, tabletop, and much more.
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2009-01-17, 10:44 PM (ISO 8601)Ogre in the Playground
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Re: Will: Pigeonholed?
Glitterdust. Slow. Illusions. Lots of silly Will Negates: harmless stuff like Invisibility and Veil. Telekinesis. Scrying. Disjunction. Silence.
Last edited by Glimbur; 2009-01-17 at 10:48 PM. Reason: Adding more information.
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2009-01-17, 10:49 PM (ISO 8601)Titan in the Playground
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Re: Will: Pigeonholed?
Slow, Glitterdust, Bestow Curse, Chaos Hammer, Banishment, Soul Bind.. the connecting thread, of course, being that none of these are Enchantments or Illusions.
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2009-01-18, 06:26 AM (ISO 8601)Firbolg in the Playground
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Re: Will: Pigeonholed?
Glitterdust and Slow are the big ones. They may be only two spells, but they're two of the most popular core spells around, and they're nasty.
At higher levels, there's stuff out there that's much worse. The violet prismatic effect tosses you to another plane on a failed Will save, as does Plane Shift, and then there's Elemental Maw from the Spell Compendium.
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2009-01-18, 06:43 AM (ISO 8601)Orc in the Playground
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Re: Will: Pigeonholed?
(Psionic) Time Hop.
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2009-01-18, 07:03 AM (ISO 8601)Ettin in the Playground
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Originally Posted by afroakuma
Never noticed that. Reflex save is mainly used for traps and damage spells/abilities. Trample is one other thing I can think of, although it's also "just" damage.Avatar by KwarkpuddingThe subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing;
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2009-01-18, 07:31 AM (ISO 8601)Colossus in the Playground
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Re: Will: Pigeonholed?
Trample comes under something that you could theoretically twist out from under- minimizing damage, hence, reflex.
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2009-01-18, 07:48 AM (ISO 8601)Troll in the Playground
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Re: Will: Pigeonholed?
Web... It doesn't give a single damage, so it can't be 'just' damage. Originally Posted by Spiryt
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2009-01-18, 08:05 AM (ISO 8601)Colossus in the Playground
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Re: Will: Pigeonholed?
Reflex: If its remotely plausible that quick reactions and physical flexibility combined will mitigate or avoid the problem, whatever it is, reflex should come in.
Web- You jump or flex at the right moment and it fails to grab you.Last edited by hamishspence; 2009-01-18 at 08:06 AM.
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