Spellscale Half-dragon Were-baboon

[Dyllan]

Okay, one of my players posed a very interesting question... and unless I can answer it in a way he accepts, he's unwilling to play this character.

He's planning to play a Spellscale Half-dragon Battle Sorcerer, and I was planning to infect the entire party with Lycanthropy. But, if I made him into a Spellscale Half-dragon Were-baboon, what would he look like in hybrid form?

If there are any artists out there who could draw one, I'd be VERY appreciative.

-Dyllan

[newbDM]

Um, that seems like a stuck-up/fussy player.

Ins't that the point of pen & paper games, to use one's imagination?

[Iku Rex]

(Dragons can't be infected with lycanthropy.)

[Dyllan]

(Dragons can't be infected with lycanthropy.)

You may have missed the part where I said I was the DM...

While I wouldn't let a full-dragon be infected with lycanthropy, I have no problem doing it to a half-dragon. Except that we're having trouble visualizing exactly what that would be.

[Iku Rex]

You may have missed the part where I said I was the DM...

No, I got that. I missed the part where you explained that in addition to significantly changing the PCs against the will of the players, you were also changing the agreed upon rules to do it...

[Bandededed]

No, I got that. I missed the part where you explained that in addition to significantly changing the PCs against the will of the players, you were also changing the agreed upon rules to do it...

Except then you missed the part where he says "we," as in, he and the players; obviously they know about this 'unwilling transformation' and have no problem with it.

Now, I forget exactly what spellscales look like, but I doubt they are quite as hairy as a baboon, or have arms in proportion with a baboons. Or a bright red rear-end. So tack a couple of features your player finds cool about the baboon (if he knows it's a baboon), or whatever you find cool. Have him keep scales in some places, and the wings, etc.

... Make babies cry when he comes around >_<

[Lycanthromancer]

(Dragons can't be infected with lycanthropy.)

Well, if both the half-dragon status and the lycanthropy were natural, rather than inflicted...

[Iku Rex]

Except then you missed the part where he says "we," as in, he and the players; obviously they know about this 'unwilling transformation' and have no problem with it.

What?

Dylan is "planning to infect the entire party with Lycanthropy". No mention of "we".

He explicitly states that barring a good answer from him, the player is "unwilling to play the character".

If this is all being discussed during character generation it would probably be better to just tell the players it will be a monkey-freak themed campaign, and to make were-baboon characters from the start.

[Lycanthromancer]

Why not make him a were dinosaur, rather than a baboon? He should keep the half-dragon template in both forms. (For that insane amount of LA and racial HD, he'd better keep its benefits. )

Fleshraker would be nice.

He'd more than likely appreciate the awesome factor considerably more.

[BobVosh]

What color dragon? Acid spitting lizard-baboons for the win. I want a tribe of this now in my game...hmm.

Too bad the only game I'm running is paranoia. Hmm...R&D, eh?

[Limos]

Ask him what physical traits he gets from being a half dragon. Then apply those traits to the Were-baboon. If he is covered in scales, so is his Hybrid form. If he has wings, so does his hyrbrid form.

The only diffference is now he has a big scary monkey face and a lot more hair. Also his butt is now bright red.

[Nohwl]

maybe its just the animal he doesnt like. does it have to be baboon? if i had to have a character infected with lyncanthropy i would want something a bit more awesome.

dinosaur doesnt sound too bad. or maybe shark. except you would have to be near water every time you would transform, so that might not be the best idea.

[Alleine]

Fleshraker would be nice.

I don't think he wants the game balance to be horribly murdered.

[Lycanthromancer]

I don't think he wants the game balance to be horribly murdered.

Considering how far behind the character will be due to LA and racial Hit Dice (which tend to be overinflated anyway), there needs to be some sort of compensation.

[Alleine]

Hmm, good point. I'd still be a little leery of it just because when I look at fleshrakers I get so happy at their efficiency in the realm of reducing things to a fine bloody mist.

[Lycanthromancer]

Hmm, good point. I'd still be a little leery of it just because when I look at fleshrakers I get so happy at their efficiency in the realm of reducing things to a fine bloody mist.

And any druid or wizard could be one with no problem whatsoever (the druid could even be two if he wanted).

[Alleine]

Wizards usually have to wait till they get the spell though.

And druids... well there's nothing fair about them.

[Lycanthromancer]

Wizards usually have to wait till they get the spell though.

Okay, remind me again...what level does a human half-dragon were-fleshraker start being 'playable'?

And druids... well there's nothing fair about them.

Agreed.

[Tempest Fennac]

I thought you decided to have him not getting infected to avoid losing caster levels? (Unless he'd still get those as normal.) Making him into a Were Iguana would probably fit better (making him a were dinosaur may be too broken).

[Quietus]

Why not let him describe it?

[Dyllan]

Iku Rex - sorry about being a bit short last night. I didn't realize I was coming across that way (but reading it now, I very much was). I need to learn not to post when I'm that tired.

Yes, he knows about the transformation, and has no problems with it except that he can't really visualize it.

And we're still flipflopping on whether he becomes infected. The problem is, I don't know if the other players will be too pleased if he's the only one who doesn't get infected.

I thought about doing a were-dinosaur, but I really need a 1 HD animal so as to have minimal impact on his caster progression. Are there any 1 HD animals?

I'll look into were-iguana... I didn't realize there were stats for an iguana. Or, are you suggesting home brewing it? I could do that.

Edit: Oh, I see. The lizard entry is for small lizards "such as the iguana." But it's 1/2 HD... and tiny. Maybe I should make a dire iguana...

Edit2: Anyone wanna home brew a 1 HD Komodo Dragon for me?

-Dyllan

[koldstare]

I thought about doing a were-dinosaur, but I really need a 1 HD animal so as to have minimal impact on his caster progression. Are there any 1 HD animals?

He is a caster and he CHOSE the half dragon template...? I understand the unwilling Lycanthrope froml but he actually chose to lose 2 spell levels over all?

[Tempest Fennac]

I'd recommend just boosing the small lizard stats slightly (I was suggesting Iguana because it would fit his race).

[Dyllan]

He is a caster and he CHOSE the half dragon template...? I understand the unwilling Lycanthrope froml but he actually chose to lose 2 spell levels over all?

Yes. He likes the theme of it, and he is going Battle Sorcerer so it's not a total waste.

-Dyllan

[Tempest Fennac]

Now that I think about it, are you allowing LA But-Off? http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/ra...djustments.htm . This could help a lot.

[Dyllan]

Now that I think about it, are you allowing LA But-Off? http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/ra...djustments.htm . This could help a lot.

I wasn't, but I think I will. Thanks for the link.

[Leon]

He is a caster and he CHOSE the half dragon template...? I understand the unwilling Lycanthrope froml but he actually chose to lose 2 spell levels over all?

Because there is more to a Character than Spell levels

Yes. He likes the theme of it, and he is going Battle Sorcerer so it's not a total waste.

-Dyllan

Good to hear

[Dyllan]

So, how's this look as a creature to base his Lycanthrophy on?



Dire Sungazer Lizard
Small Animal
Hit Dice 1d8 + 4
Initiative +2
Speed 20 ft.
Armor Class: 14 (+1 size, +1 natural, +2 dex), touch 13, flat-footed 12
Base Attack/Grapple: +0/-3
Attack: Bite melee +2 (1d6 + 1)
Full Attack: Bite melee +2 (1d6 + 1), Tail slash melee -3 (1d4)
Space/Reach: 5 ft/5 ft
Special Attacks: -
Special Qualities: Low light vision
Saves: Fort: +3 Ref: +4 Will: +1
Abilities: Str 12, Dex: 15, Con 12, Int 1, Wis 12, Cha 2
Skills: Listen +3, Spot +3, Climb +6, Balance +6
Feats: Toughness
CR: 1
Dire Sungazer Lizards get a +4 racial bonus to Climb and Balance

[Tempest Fennac]

I'm pleased my link was helpful. I'd say that lizard is a good base creature (it looks quite cute).

[Darrin]

But, if I made him into a Spellscale Half-dragon Were-baboon, what would he look like in hybrid form?

I have no idea, but his buttocks would be absolutely *RESPLENDENT*. Save or be dazzled.