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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaytara View Post
    The dragon is almost certainly a relative of the young adult black one. There are various clues.

    1) The obvious similarity in appearance, up to and including the speech bubble.

    2) In 188, we learn that the starmetal was brought to the cave by an older dragon, one that is at least a century old, rather than the young adult V defeated.

    3) This is consistent with the earlier mention of a dragon mom who cared enough to teach the dragon lizard.

    4) Furthermore, in 572, the Oracle mentions "an important client flying in" - which a centuries-old winged dragon would be - and that he doesn't want "a dead mammal to screw it up", implying that said client would be able to see Roy's ghost. This can easily be an angry mom dragon seeking to find the wizard who smoked her baby.

    I call that the next comic will have the dragon explaining how she found V, with a flashback panel showing the Oracle being a lot more helpful to a draconic client by giving a satisfactory answer. :)

    Something like
    Dragon: "Here is the gold. Now to my question. My precious baby-"
    Oracle: "...was killed with two Disintegrate spells by a currently 14th level purple-haired elf wizard by the name of Vaarsuvius who is currently on a ship in the middle of a fleeing Azurite fleet but will be leaving it in 15 days to occupy an island 11 miles from the coast and proceed to study spells there, alone, with the exception of an inconsequential little imp. Anything else?"
    Yes. This. Or something very much like this.

    Seriously though:

    Kabuta, whom we saw die, comes back to life somehow, assumes his natural form of an ancient black dragon, and somehow finds V on his isle? Whaaaat?

    V's mate decides to polymorph into the form of an ancient black dragon, somehow finds V on his isle, and asks V to cast another disintegrate on the Imp? Whaaaat?

    The Imp casts an illusion spell, ignoring the rule of spell casting by not speaking the name of the spell (how the heck illusionists ever get a spell believed in OotS world is beyond me. Caster: "Shadow Evocation", Target: "Thanks. I think I'll disbelieve.") and the illusion form of an ancient black dragon persists after the Imp falls unconscious? Whaaaat?

    I get just as much enjoyment reading all the wild speculation as I do reading the comic. But it's more of a bewildered enjoyment, kind of like "How the heck did they come up with that???"

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    I have two very important questions :

    1.How the Hell can an imp take over 20d6 damage and not die, even if he succeed his check?

    2. And who the hell is this middly intimidating interloper?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kish View Post
    Curses, I forgot the real reason why it didn't comply with V's suggestion anymore.

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    Ok, i see a lot of theories about the dragon being related to the one 'V killed'

    First of all; nobody was present when 'V killed' the dragon. so there is no direct link for a related dragon to follow. The imp surely did not know about V killing a particular dragon earlier, and so could not have tipped a vengeful parent off.

    Second, V did not land the first blow, nor was the party leader, or profited from the slaying. Dragons are long lived vastly powerful, and intellegent creatures, in the knowledge that a lone being could not have slain one of thier own, it would have asked one of these questions "Who attacked ____" which would give a list of the names of each party member who made an attack. (V was not the only one) "who lead the attack on _____" which would have lead to Roy, who is now dead. "who stole the starmetal" which would again lead to roy, or finally "who took ____'s treasure" which would lead to haley.

    Finally, why would it CARE. we're talking about a fantasy world where dragons are slain by heroes all the freaking time. go slay the dragon is a very common quest for adventurers, if dragons went out of their way to hunt down anybody who killed thier kin, you'd have a swarm of dragons descending upon adventurers all the time in an act of vengeance. that just does not happen. so if it is about that even it is much more probable again that it would be a matter about the starmetal, and not V's getting the last hit in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Argall View Post
    Cliches become so by being such powerful explainers of situations. Our writer may put his own spin on it, but recall here that the death of Therkla was very cliche.
    It was? How so? You mean, there was an epic movie a while back where the hero was poisoned and the two who ran for the antidote showed up just a little bit too late? Never saw it three times, nor do I own the DVD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic9mushroom View Post
    Actually, it's possible that she does have another Disintegrate. 14th level is a near certainty by now, so that's 3 base. Given her headband, and 19 Int, it's likely that she has a bonus spell/day from that. And we still don't know her speciality, it's likely Evocation, sure, but not guaranteed. That's 5. And even if she doesn't have one of those, she could have prepared Disintegrate in a 7th level spot.
    He also has a ring of spell storing, iirc. Although I don't know if that can store a Disintegrate spell, nor do I care. V will cast whatever spells he casts, and I won't be bothered to count them and compare them with D&D rules to "guess" V's level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic9mushroom View Post
    Actually, it's possible that she does have another Disintegrate. 14th level is a near certainty by now, so that's 3 base. Given her headband, and 19 Int, it's likely that she has a bonus spell/day from that. And we still don't know her speciality, it's likely Evocation, sure, but not guaranteed. That's 5. And even if she doesn't have one of those, she could have prepared Disintegrate in a 7th level spot.
    V's specialty is established to be Evocation in the prequels. Unless s/he prepared another one in a 7th-level slot, or is 17th level (which seems extremely unlikely), V is out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liwen View Post
    1.How the Hell can an imp take over 20d6 damage and not die, even if he succeed his check?
    If the imp made his saving throw, he took 5d6 damage, not 20d6.
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    Could always be his former familiar blackwing back after being polymorphed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyJimBoBob View Post
    He also has a ring of spell storing, iirc. Although I don't know if that can store a Disintegrate spell, nor do I care. V will cast whatever spells he casts, and I won't be bothered to count them and compare them with D&D rules to "guess" V's level.
    thats a ring of Wizardry, i believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [sWc]Konman View Post
    thats a ring of Wizardry, i believe.
    yeah
    http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0130.html
    In which case it does not help. Rings of wizardry top out at 4th level, and disintegrate is a 6th-level spell.

    Anyway, rules lawyering aside, dramatic convention clearly dictates that V must be out of disintegrate spells at this time.
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    Apparently the main question regarding this comic is about the black dragon. I do not know anything about the black dragon, but I anticipate that our question will be answered within the next few comics.
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    Oooooh, I just had an idea!!

    Here, the Oracle said that he had an important client flying in. Since both the Oracle and the dragon share reptilian history (I'm counting "dragon" as reptilian, just hang with me for a minute), then the Oracle would be happy to help the dragon (Or just because it is an important client). The dragon could have asked "Where can I find the one who killed my [insert relationship/acquaintance title]?". The Oracle hen would have told the dragon, and perhaps because of the aforementioned reptilian history (or, again, just because he likes the client), the Oracle threw in the Vaarsuvius' name as well.

    It might be stretching a bit, but it's not totally unlikely.
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    I support the "the Dragon is a random encounter" theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by galdon View Post
    Second, V did not land the first blow, nor was the party leader, or profited from the slaying. Dragons are long lived vastly powerful, and intellegent creatures, in the knowledge that a lone being could not have slain one of thier own, it would have asked one of these questions "Who attacked ____" which would give a list of the names of each party member who made an attack. (V was not the only one) "who lead the attack on _____" which would have lead to Roy, who is now dead. "who stole the starmetal" which would again lead to roy, or finally "who took ____'s treasure" which would lead to haley.
    "Who was responsible for _____'s death" seems the likeliest question to me. Why complicate matters with leaders and benefactors when you can go straight to the cause?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forealms View Post
    [insert relationship/acquaintance title]?".
    That's why he looks familliar! It might me the dragon from the starmetal sidequest's [insert relationship]!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyJimBoBob View Post
    It was? How so? You mean, there was an epic movie a while back where the hero was poisoned and the two who ran for the antidote showed up just a little bit too late? Never saw it three times, nor do I own the DVD.
    Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.

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    A while ago V was my fave character. I'm not so sure anymore. But if this black dragon is indeed related to the one V killed a long time ago, then I kinda wanna see this momma (or poppa) dragon kick some ass, simply because I like dragons lol.

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    Just in case it hasn't been thrown out yet, here's ANOTHER Four Words theory:

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    Right Four Words: Disintegrate, Disintegrate, Disintegrate, Disintegrate
    Right Being/Time: Qarr just as the Dragon was showing up.
    Wrong Reasons: Wasting all hir 6th level spells on an imp. Now V will have no choice except to either get killed or glue hir lips to this dragon's ass. Seeing as the former will greatly impede hir research much more than the latter, V will become the Dragon's faithfully brown-nosing servant and get some sort of Arcane Power in the process.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gandal View Post
    Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.
    Hmmm...how strangely appropriate. Do you think the Tiger got hit by one of the Disintegrates?
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Argall View Post
    And both drama and comedy feature people failing to notice the obvious on a regular basis. The point is rather a cliche.
    It's not like the OotS doesn't have a long history of failed spot checks.


    The dead dragon had a porn stash. While many husbands wouldn't mind having one, successfully hiding it from the wife is much less likely. So it was most unlikely any mate was around.
    My wife doesn't have any problem with me having a porn stach; heck her porn stach is probably bigger than mine. Granted, we're probably not exactly the norm in this respect.

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    That was...amazing. I'm totally impressed right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost_warlock View Post


    Wild Speculation Time!

    - The dragon is the nose of Dr. Verlucci, returned on the anniversary of the day V betrayed him!
    You know, it's usually only while reading OOTS or Erfworld that I actually LOL at a website. You just changed that

    I wonder what Gary Larson is up to these days....

    And, yes, I do believe you hit the nail on the head with your speculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPoD View Post
    It's not the same dragon:

    1.) This one has red eyes, not green.
    2.) This one has curvy horns, not straight.
    3.) This one is at least double the size.

    This is probably the other dragon's much-older mother, father, sibling, etc.

    Which means V is in deep trouble.

    EDIT: Black dragons can breathe water; it likely was hiding under the water and then rose up to make itself known at a key moment.
    Although you have a good point, there can be resurrection mishaps that can slightly alter appearance eye color being one of them... but this theory is a bit of a stretch though
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    My wife doesn't have any problem with me having a porn stach; heck her porn stach is probably bigger than mine. Granted, we're probably not exactly the norm in this respect.
    Great; now I'm going to always read "dps" as "dp's".

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    This is driving me insane. I have checked for a new comic 20 times today already. I really hope there is one soon, before I lose it entirely.

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    As an aside, the cloister spell should be nearing the end of its effect on Haley and the others.

    So after dealing with the dragon, Varsuvius should be able to scry them properly...

    Wouldn't it be silly if she attributes her success to the imp's help? :P

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    Try this one on for size:
    not too different from other variations of the kubota = dragon theory.

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    Kubota was a dragon, took human shape in order to infiltrate the politics of Azure city, etc..... Kubota was / is also related to the black dragon that the OOTS killed earlier.



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    If it's a resurrected dragon, might it not be this one? Far fetched and begging for some delightfully convoluted explanation, I know, but not more so than various other theories floating in the ether.

    Love it.

    Edit - My bad for forgetting the dungeon purge episode.
    Still love the symmetry of a dragon ending V's voyage of self-doubt and misery that began when that dragon's head landed hon his/her skeletal opponent.
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    Try this one on for size:
    not too different from other variations of the kubota = dragon theory.

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    Kubota was a dragon, took human shape in order to infiltrate the politics of Azure city, etc..... Kubota was / is also related to the black dragon that the OOTS killed earlier.


    Hehe, just remembered a quote which would seem to support that.

    : Fascinating. I cannot help but notice that the disintegrated remains of a dragon are indistinguishable from those of a human, or a halfling, or a dwarf.

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    I like the Kuboto theory. Explains the name thing.

    And it would also make Qarr in bigger trouble then V.

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    I wonder if the Imp will take this opportunity to sneak away with whats left of his hit points, or if he'll have a larger part to play.

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