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2009-02-01, 02:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
I just noticed when I went back to #186 to reread.
Originally Posted by Black Dragon JrLast edited by RMS Oceanic; 2009-02-01 at 02:48 PM.
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2009-02-01, 02:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
That sounds possible,
V will achieve ultimate arcane power when he/her says
The right 4 words,
At the right time, (hopfully soon)
to the right person, (maybe quarr or the dragon)
for all the wrong reasons. (to save V's children, to get revenge on someone)
Just throwing out a guess."You're a great friend, but if the zombies chase us, I'm tripping you." -
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2009-02-01, 02:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
Why would saving her children be a 'wrong' reason? I think revenge fits it well though.
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2009-02-01, 02:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
Hats off to this one. A very compelling twist indeed.
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2009-02-01, 02:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
Oh. Oh, my. I am ****ing loving this.
Panel before this one was nothing but pure black draconic RAGE. Now? It's beyond rage and into murder in cold blood-methodically chop-dispose into dumpsters kind of growling, heart-clenching fury.
V is learning really hard, really fast, that every single thing he/she and his/her former associates did comes with a price.Last edited by Milanius; 2009-02-01 at 02:58 PM.
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2009-02-01, 02:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
First thought: "Whaaat?"
Second thought: "Riiich!"
Third thought: "Will we uncover the mystery of gender (which I still hold to be female)?"
Final thought: "The children are going to see her and both exclaim different genders (i.e. "Mom!" "Dad!"), and is going to be a joke, with the children arguing over which parental figure V is."
Also, I must yet again congratulate you, Rich, for having a storytelling mind far beyond mine and most of the world.Member of the Vaarsuvius Fan Club!
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2009-02-01, 02:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
Under Sympathetic Villain in Exemplars of Evil, the quote is:
"They killed my children. Can you blame me for wanting to kill theirs?"
(also- if we treat the dragons lair, unlike Dorukan's home, as not stolen property but actual private residence, the Order went there with the sole intention of taking the dragon's property, and killed the dragon in the process. Technically homicide, even if the dragon attacked them first, since killing while committing a felony is murder)
Now D&D probably makes exceptions for Always Evil creatures, still, it does show the Moral Dissonance, especially since in some traditions killing a burglar who has broken into your home at night is not murder.
It is these days though.
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2009-02-01, 02:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
Call me crazy but wasn't the joke in that strip that V's excessive verbage wasted what little time was left, but it didn't matter because of fresh spells?
Also by your reasoning any number of disabling spells would be evil in that the target is helpless until hit for a short duration. Suggestion could not be used to make the dragon imprison itself. Attacking a person under suggestion is no more evil than a surprise round as they are perfectly capable of defending themselves afterwards. Just because V's attack was too strong for the dragon to survive doesn't make it evil even if it weren't a black dragon.
Proof: Roy Coup de Gracing sleeping goblins (who I might add hadn't even initiated combat with the party) isn't even mentioned by the afterlife arbiter.
So yea none of this prisoner alignment crap.
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2009-02-01, 03:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
V has children!?
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2009-02-01, 03:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
Rich Burlew is a cruel man for posting these things one at time...
Seem's like V will take Quarr up on his offer in order to pump his power up to the right level to take on the (presumeably) far more badass dragon than before in order to save his family. The question is, once the goal is achieved, will he be strong enough to cast off the ultimate power for the sake of his own elvanity?
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2009-02-01, 03:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
Wow.
Didn't realise V had kids, but seeing the expression on his face, I think he does.
Might be the great sacrifice one of them had to make...
Also, I hope we'll see V's mate then. And kids, of course.
EDIT: Oh, and of course, the second page isn't "full", which make anticipation stronger.Last edited by Lissou; 2009-02-01 at 03:23 PM.
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2009-02-01, 03:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
Woah. Just... woah.
That is one pissed off dragon.
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2009-02-01, 03:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
Wait... so we get both an epic villain anda look at V's backstory? Awesome! I love this dragon.
"Veni, vidi, brutus spearium gloriosus"
I came, I saw, I tore the thick bastards limb from limb.
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2009-02-01, 03:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
These last coupe of comics have been great!
Children?
Such an unexpected turn of events!
One thing tough:
This doesn't mean that V has children: Maybe the dragon just assumed that V has children?Got re-bit by the OOTS and Goblins! bug.
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2009-02-01, 03:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
Sorry to burst your bubble but it was Webox who first mentioned the Oracle client idea back here, as early as in the 626 discussion thread.
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2009-02-01, 03:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
No worries. V's mate is a demi-god, and the kids are probably higher lvl than the Orders average party level :D
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2009-02-01, 03:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
As much as V is a main charecter/PC, I'm on the dragon's side. Her story is touching. And of course, the semi-evil "eye for an eye" thing she is doing is great too. *sigh* Unfortunatly, since V is a main charecter the dragon's plan will be ruined somehow, probably due to V making a deal with Quar and gaining ultimate power.
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2009-02-01, 03:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-02-01, 03:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
I thought so too. Of course I do have a tendency to skip words and assume the "obvious" word is used, but such is my memory, and apparently the memory of others.
As to those protesting males are parents too, the presumption that the mother-child bond is much stronger is the default assumption, and for good reason. Not that we can consider it automatic [My father was raised by his father, not his mother who wandered off trying to find herself or something.], but it should be assumed to be much the greater.
In any case, those saying V is female have another string to their bow.
Originally Posted by Elfich
So we will be sticking with V for another strip, and likely for several more.
Maybe quite a few more. At this point in W&XP, I was assuming a successful defense, and was seeing this was hard to do in the remaining space. Now we are getting tight for space in the current volume, and something is introduced that could run for a hundred pages. I start to worry Roy is going to stay on the sidelines for another book.
Originally Posted by CelebrenIthil, V would have knocked up/been knocked up about "age 14". It happens, but it doesn't fit easily into what we know of V's history.Spoiler"20 years in diapers"
But it's too easy. We have this build-up and it is over right away? No, that is not likely to happen. V has some brats running around and they are in serious danger.
Now the dragon may not be around for too long. She may still be serving mainly as a way to get a new familiar for V. But we do have the chance she will be doing quite a bit of battling vs V.
Of course, the coloring this time is "off". Those who want to talk about illusions or delusions have some grounds now. [Not that it is clear it means anything. It could be that there is a bug in our writer's artist program and the change is just a work-around.]
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Originally Posted by CelebrenIthil
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2009-02-01, 03:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
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2009-02-01, 03:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
An added bit of poetic justice I noticed rereading the original dragon-killing story: the young dragon did try to parlay. Not with the bipeds that invaded it's lair to steal it's treasure, of course, but with V (in his lizard form).
V's response to finding there was an intelligent being she could communicate with was, of course, to use magic to over-ride it's will, and then (when he was done with it), she disintegrated it.
But the kid tried to talk, and it seemed at least open to discussion at that point. Makes me more sympathetic to Mommy, here.
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2009-02-01, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
Niiiice twist.
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2009-02-01, 03:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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I wondered why the forums were so slow, then I began to wonder if a new comic might be up. Of course, it was, so I went to check it out. Then I found out why the forums were slow. They are flooded by the awesome that is OOTS #628.Last edited by Athaniar; 2009-02-01 at 03:39 PM.
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2009-02-01, 03:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
Oh my. Oh my. OH MY!!! V has children?!?!?!?!?! I... on gods, I can believe it! (well, I can but... eh, you get what I mean...)... wow... poor dragoness, poor of her. It's the most awful thing, to lose a son. I always thought it was kind of mean to kill the dragon(when I knew it was on its draconic teens) but... I NEVER thought his parents would be involved. Heck, I thought his parents were long gone! I know, crazy, but still... oh gosh... V's children... poor V... poor V, too... I don't know who to side with! poor both!
I have a baaad feeling... a seriouslu BAD feeling about this. Like this story is going to end far too soon for my liking. Wow... wow...
That and moral issues aside, I hope to see V's mate and children. I also hope they end up alive otherwise, I don't want to think what V would do...
Also, if the original title was "A mother's worst nightmare" it does not meant it was talking about V. Could be the dragon. (Not that I think V is male, I don't have a real side on those debates.) Or could be V. Oh god... now I can't wait!!!
Great comic, Giant, even though a dramatic, sad one.An eye for an eye will make us all blind - Mahatma Ghandi.
Also Water is a molecule, Air is a bunch of different molecules, and don't let me get started on Earth.
(Sorry, I'm a Chemist, can't resist.)
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2009-02-01, 03:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-02-01, 03:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
I wonder if this is all a mind game pulled out by Rich.
Probably the dragon even asked the Oracle if V had children and where she could find them, if so why not try to trick her into thinking Belkar is V's son?
The little kobold doesn't have much sympathy for the little bugger, that's for sure, and revenge is a dish best served...dissolved, in this case.
Naaah, too far fetched, is it?
Anyway, very good strip and nice cliffhanger.
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2009-02-01, 03:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
Excellent strip, great build-up and a really strong conclusion.
Anyone taking bets on dragon's chances to make her "promise" come true?
If it happened, it could be the price paid for reuniting the order, but that's a bit far-fetched.
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2009-02-01, 03:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
Why?
I've heard this argument before, but the initiator very rarely sticks by the claims when introduced to logical conclusions such as:
1) If you're arguing hormones and chromosomes: Then women should be the ones looking after the kids, after all they're giving them the more loving environment.
2) If you're arguing physical bond: Adopted kids are loved less.
Parent's worst nightmare is appropriate. I think if it was "Mother's" to begin with he may have been referencing the Dragon, and then decided to include V, or thought "They'll read too much into that".
What we know of V's history includes that he was married.
Twins are still a possibility in Elves as far as I know.Last edited by Baalthazaq; 2009-02-01 at 04:13 PM.
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2009-02-01, 03:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #628 - The Discussion Thread
Another crazy theory: what if what the dragon means is that V is pregnant? She said she would destroy both V and children.
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2009-02-01, 04:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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