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Thread: (3.5) Grappling and sizes
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2009-02-10, 12:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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(3.5) Grappling and sizes
Hello people. Two of the people I play D&D 3.5 with are having an argument about grappling, and we are having a difficult time making a ruling.
One of them claims that any character capable of garppling is able to grapple anything else no matter the size. The example he is using is that a halfling could grapple a huge dragon if he rolls high enough.
The other player argues that no character is able to grapple anything 2 size categories bigger then themselves. Although I feel this ruling makes the most amount of sense we can't seem to find evidence for it in any of the books.
Could someone help us prove / disprove this grappling dilemma?
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2009-02-10, 12:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Grappling and sizes
One of them claims that any character capable of garppling is able to grapple anything else no matter the size. The example he is using is that a halfling could grapple a huge dragon if he rolls high enough.
Originally Posted by srdLast edited by Kaihaku; 2009-02-10 at 12:51 AM.
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2009-02-10, 12:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Grappling and sizes
You can indeed grapple anything you want if you can achieve a high enough modifier. There are even a number of feats designed specifically to help smaller beings grapple with larger ones, although most of them are more tuned to escaping the grapple and they still don't provide enough of a bonus.. *ahem*. Anyway. Tripping is restricted by size, which is probably what your other player is thinking of. Grappling is only restricted by the general futility of trying to beat the extra size+strength+possible stability mods of something multiple size categories larger than you. If you feel a further houserule is necessary, I would consider restricting the ability to pin larger opponents in a grapple- although a sufficiently skilled halfling could make a nuisance of itself to a dragon (as per the normal effects of being in a grapple), I would have some difficulty conceiving of him being able to pin down a dragon.
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2009-02-10, 12:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Grappling and sizes
You, in fact, CANNOT grapple anything more than two sizes larger that you. Well, you can start the grapple, but you can never get past Step 3 (Establishing a Hold) since you automatically fail at that point.
Originally Posted by SRD
EDIT: Now, I suppose you could get past that by having the big critter grapple you first, but that's kind of a silly tactic.Last edited by RTGoodman; 2009-02-10 at 12:58 AM.
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2009-02-10, 12:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: (3.5) Grappling and sizes
Thanks rtg0922! As the page was loading to your post I managed to find it in the phb, and now we know the answer!