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    hello everyone im new here thanks to my pals, first off all i will apology cause inglish is not my first lenguage but im shure youll have no problem with it.

    i have been playing DnD for more than a year, our campaing is about to end soon and i want to be redy with a fresh new original character after we finish it using every complete 3.5 book and race books, BUT NOT TOME OF BATTLE PLEASE!

    ai dream with a 2 lance* wielder raptorian ranger aiming for the stormtalon prestige class, think it wold work? i think ill be fine with dive by attack and two-weapon punce...

    i call it like that but it would be a pair of short-spears

    if you want to know me better, actually im playing a:

    Swashbuckler1/Monk1/Sorcerer4/Enligtened fist3/Swiftblade...
    and im wielding the weapon of legacy known as the desert wind
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    If you use Wizard instead of sorcerer, then you can key all your abilities off of Intelligence. Get Carmendine Monk or Kung-fu Genius for your monk abilities, and your spellcasting and Insightful Strike are already there. You'll also have more skill points and gain your spells faster.

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    Just an FYI: Lance is a two handed weapon when not mounted. And its X2 damage on a charge also only applies while mounted. So you might want to look into other weapons.

    The Stormtalon class is a slightly better fighter class but doesn't give you many options aside from having an extra attack. So you can do just about anything, with your major advantages being a single extra attack, high flight speed, and extra feats.

    Some things I have always found interesting with flight is grapple checks, and flying your enemy into the air. Otherwise your extra attack can be more efficient with some precision based damage.

    Lion Spiritual Totem* Variant** Barbarian 2/Fighter 2/Rogue3/Stormtalon#
    *Variant is in complete Champion to gain pounce in place of fast movement
    **Variant in Unearthed Arcana/SRD, replace rage for archery combat style of ranger and favored enemy (not a huge difference, but if your in the air and the enemy has no ranged attacks you will have a decent advantage)

    Feats:
    You can go pretty much anywhere with feats. TWFing tree, neraph's charge (planar handbook), shocktrooper, flyby attack (you can grapple someone and continue your move into the air). You can do pretty much anything, but it's pretty vanilla in the terms of a warrior.

    EDIT: I just had an interesting idea. A level of soul eater for an aerial grappler build would be pretty nifty. Your high flight speed can be used to get the enemy high into the air, while you drain levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pilvento View Post
    BUT NOT TOME OF BATTLE PLEASE!
    Your poor taste is poor ... but whatever floats your boat.
    ai dream with a 2 lance wielder raptorian ranger aiming for the stormtalon prestige class, think it wold work? i think ill be fine with dive by attack and two-weapon punce...
    Apart from being 2 handed weapons Fly By Attack unfortunately does not count as a charge unlike Ride by Attack ... so no, not really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkysBrain View Post
    Your poor taste is poor
    WTF!?. i dont get it sry
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    review the dive mechanic and look up the Ubercharger....
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    so i can use the lionpounce or the two weapon pounce while diving, but i must stop there, i cant dive by attack... am i right?

    also, i said it wrong, they wouldnt be lances, i can wield short spears in both hands
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkysBrain View Post
    Apart from being 2 handed weapons Fly By Attack unfortunately does not count as a charge unlike Ride by Attack ... so no, not really.
    Actually you can:

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    Flyby Attack [General]
    Prerequisite

    Fly speed.
    Benefit

    When flying, the creature can take a move action (including a dive) and another standard action at any point during the move. The creature cannot take a second move action during a round when it makes a flyby attack.
    Quote Originally Posted by srd
    A creature that flies can make dive attacks.A dive attack works just like a charge, but the diving creature must move a minimum of 30 feet and descend at least 10 feet. It can make only claw or talon attacks, but these deal double damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimystik View Post
    If you use Wizard instead of sorcerer, then you can key all your abilities off of Intelligence. Get Carmendine Monk or Kung-fu Genius for your monk abilities, and your spellcasting and Insightful Strike are already there. You'll also have more skill points and gain your spells faster.
    i just love to be a sorcerer and be the face of the party and swashbuckler is an escuse to piss off my DM
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    Quote Originally Posted by pilvento View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by PinkysBrain View Post
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    BUT NOT TOME OF BATTLE PLEASE!
    Your poor taste is poor ... but whatever floats your boat.
    WTF!?. i dont get it sry
    Pretty much saying ToB is a great book and you will most likely find a good option there for whatever martial build you are trying to make.. If it is due to "ToB is Overpowered!" opinion, then know it is not.. But this is not the thread for that..

    Also, doing stuff just to piss of your DM, not cool
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    ToB maybe is not overpowered... MAYBE

    maneuvers & stances are a bit too much.
    i mean, some of them provide you with abilities that only a feat could provide... so... tolerate people whos out there who hates or dont approve ToB.

    "you poor taste is poor"? really... wtf.



    on the other hand, watch out for subject change.
    He wants help with his raptorian character, not his evi...good swashbuckler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Animefunkmaster View Post
    Actually you can:
    Hmmm I forgot about that, I stand corrected. Fly by attack gives you a charge AND a standard action during the charge ... been a while since I saw that one come up.
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    ToB maybe is not overpowered... MAYBE

    maneuvers & stances are a bit too much.
    i mean, some of them provide you with abilities that only a feat could provide... so... tolerate people whos out there who hates or dont approve ToB.
    Yeah, silly people for thinking that heroic martial characters might be able to do anything. They should be sticking to their 20ft speed platemail, standing there swinging for +2 with one weapon and dying, while the Clerics become Avatar's of Gods and Sorcerers create pocket dimensions full of Pokemon and bat crap for their middle-fingers to reality.

    In response to the OP, though; why Swashbuckler? If you're using a lance, you won't be using Dexterity. And if you could, why one level dip? If you're going Swashbuckler, it's generally better to see it through to third for Insightful Strike.

    And also, if Tomb of Battle isn't being used/not allowed, why are you using Desert Wind's legacy sword? You know, that martial style from Tome of Battle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkysBrain View Post
    Hmmm I forgot about that, I stand corrected. Fly by attack gives you a charge AND a standard action during the charge ... been a while since I saw that one come up.
    OH YEAH, we are back on the subject!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki Eremes View Post
    ToB maybe is not overpowered... MAYBE
    He wants help with his raptorian character, not his evi...good swashbuckler.
    you sound just like a rouge in my party, he is a drow also so...

    WTF! loki its you! stay away from me sneak attack adicct!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryumaru View Post
    Yeah, silly people for thinking that heroic martial characters might be able to do anything. They should be sticking to their 20ft speed platemail, standing there swinging for +2 with one weapon and dying, while the Clerics become Avatar's of Gods and Sorcerers create pocket dimensions full of Pokemon and bat crap for their middle-fingers to reality.

    In response to the OP, though; why Swashbuckler? If you're using a lance, you won't be using Dexterity. And if you could, why one level dip? If you're going Swashbuckler, it's generally better to see it through to third for Insightful Strike.
    2 things.

    1- tell that to the ones making the rules. if the basic players handbook were the only manual out there, the "They should be sticking to their 20ft speed platemail, standing there swinging for +2 with one weapon and dying, while the Clerics become Avatar's of Gods and Sorcerers create pocket dimensions full of Pokemon and bat crap for their middle-fingers to reality." would be sadly but true.

    2- please, read carefully. the raptorian has NO SWASHBUCKLER LVLS. the "swash/sorcerer/monk/swiftblade" thing is about another character. Nothing to do with his question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryumaru View Post
    And also, if Tomb of Battle isn't being used/not allowed, why are you using Desert Wind's legacy sword? You know, that martial style from Tome of Battle?
    the weapon of legacy book is great and my DM wanted to give it a try, i cant find the conection of the weapon and your tome of battle, it only has the same name as the style so in our world it isnt necesary to be playing a tome of battle character
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    How about Lion totem* Whirling Frenzy Barbarian 2/Sneak Attack Thug Fighter Variant* 3/Stormtalon + ?

    This way you get to pounce(full attack) while you dive and deal sneak attack damage while also having some skills from the Thug as well as the Barbarian.

    For feats you should get Neraph Charge from Planar Handbook, Craven from Heroes of Horror, and Power Attack or Two Weapon Fighting and crew. Neraph charge requires 15 Wis and 5 ranks in Knowledge(the planes) but makes an opponent flatfooted when you charge(or dive) at him, and Craven lets you add your Character level to the damage when you sneak attack. For a weapon you should use a Ripper from Planar Handbook. It's a spear with exaclty the same stats as a greatsword but deals piercing damage, so it works on your dive.

    This way on your 6th level your dive looks like this: +6/+6/+1 with the Ripper for 4d6 +2*1.5*STR+2*Character Level + 3d6 Sneak Attack + 4*your penalty on Power Attack and +1 for your Talons for 1d6 +2*0.5*STR + 2*Sneak Attack + 2* your penalty for Power Attack . I didn't add any Str on your attack modifiers nor a +1 for higher ground bonus or magic.
    Not the highest damage you can do by a long shot but still it's pretty good and fitting a Frenzied Sky Warrior.

    If you dont have acces to these books you could always go the Shock Trooper root with regular Fighter levels.

    * Lion Totem is in Complete Champion and trades your Fast Movent for Pounce.
    ** Thug Sneak Attack Fighter Variant is in Unearthed Arcana or better yet in the http://www.d20srd.org/
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    Quote Originally Posted by pilvento View Post
    the weapon of legacy book is great and my DM wanted to give it a try, i cant find the conection of the weapon and your tome of battle, it only has the same name as the style so in our world it isnt necesary to be playing a tome of battle character
    Heh, that's very funny.

    This particular Weapon of Legacy was one of the inspirations for the Tome of Battle's fluff, and was therefore reprinted in Tome of Battle.

    But, since Tome of Battle is so much more popular than Weapons of Legacy, apparently some people have forgotten that the sword originally came from another source.
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    1- tell that to the ones making the rules. if the basic players handbook were the only manual out there, the "They should be sticking to their 20ft speed platemail, standing there swinging for +2 with one weapon and dying, while the Clerics become Avatar's of Gods and Sorcerers create pocket dimensions full of Pokemon and bat crap for their middle-fingers to reality." would be sadly but true.
    It would, but the constant QQing of people I see over Tome of Battle because 'OMG they can do something at level 20 that replicates a level 6 arcane spell OPOP!' gets annoying. Fast.

    Also...

    if you want to know me better, actually im playing a:

    Swashbuckler1/Monk1/Sorcerer4/Enligtened fist3/Swiftblade...
    and im wielding the weapon of legacy known as the desert wind
    Looks to me like he's talking about himself.

    the weapon of legacy book is great and my DM wanted to give it a try, i cant find the conection of the weapon and your tome of battle, it only has the same name as the style so in our world it isnt necesary to be playing a tome of battle character
    Is it a scimitar which gives you abilities like setting stuff on fire? Take a peek in the back of Tome of Battle, pg132; Desert Wind is, surprisingly, the Legacy sword of the Desert Wind martial school.

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    thanks, that gived my some place to start, where can i find that fighter variant?

    now the only thing left to do would be to convice my DM im a birdman who have a lion as an spiritual guide
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryumaru View Post
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    And also, if Tomb of Battle isn't being used/not allowed, why are you using Desert Wind's legacy sword? You know, that martial style from Tome of Battle?
    Actually Desert Wind was the name for a Legacy Weapon before it became a discipline in ToB. I blame the cool Scimitar.

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    But, since Tome of Battle is so much more popular than Weapons of Legacy, apparently some people have forgotten that the sword originally came from another source.
    Ah, my mistake then, sorry; found Weapons of Legacy too mechanically backward to really remember much about it or bother to commit it to memory. =P

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    Quote Originally Posted by pilvento View Post
    thanks, that gived my some place to start, where can i find that fighter variant?

    now the only thing left to do would be to convice my DM im a birdman who have a lion as an spiritual guide
    I editted my post. It's in the SRD check the class variants.

    Lots of magical beasts that fly have pounce. Perhaps you could say he has a griffon as a totem instead of a lion, or something. Perhaps a Sphinx. They are cool as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-naras View Post
    I editted my post. It's in the SRD check the class variants.

    Lots of magical beasts that fly have pounce. Perhaps you could say he has a griffon as a totem instead of a lion, or something. Perhaps a Sphinx. They are cool as well.
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    NO NO NO
    I will be his master and i want to see him up there flying masked with a lion's head. period
    ...Actually that sounds awesome...

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-naras View Post
    ...Actually that sounds awesome...
    mmmm a lion headed flying..thing, awesome indeed xD
    Townfolks will love him xDD
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    Well he is supposed to be a feral flying barbarian. I don't know if me, as a commoner, would love seeing him in my town, but i would surely be taking interest on the flying hercules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-naras View Post
    Well he is supposed to be a feral flying barbarian. I don't know if me, as a commoner, would love seeing him in my town, but i would surely be taking interest on the flying hercules.

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    Anyway .... so a barbarian/scout/ranger swift hunter build with a Storm Talon dip for the talons? (You get a lot more out of this than taking Storm Talon to completion). You get bonus damage from swift hunter and Diving Charge feat making TWF worth it ... rapiers are good weapons for a dive (double damage with piercing weapons) though shortspears are closer to your original concept.

    Draconomicon has some flight improving magic items (unfortunately the spells which do it aren't on the ranger spell list).

    Some way of getting small would be handy too, to make it easier to fly around in dungeons.
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