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[3.5] Best Non Magical Armor
Just an idle point of curiosity: I was reading Planar Handbook recently, and discovered that a suit of Mithril Mechanus Gear armor gives +10 AC and +2 Max Dex before any magical enhancements.
Is this the "best" non-magical armor in terms of max AC? Obviously, magic, natural armor, touch attacks, deflection bonuses, shields etc. all come into play, but purely in terms of AC potential from a suit of armor (sans-magic), is this as good as it gets?
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Re: [3.5] Best Non Magical Armor
No there is other armor that gives more Armor bonus to AC. Unfortunately they also dont give a dex bonus either. Look in RoS
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Re: [3.5] Best Non Magical Armor
Mithral Mountain Plate from Races of Stone gives the same AC bonus and Dex bonus
Its a lot cheaper and lighter than Mountain Plate though
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Re: [3.5] Best Non Magical Armor
Mountain Plate also requires an extra Exotic Armor Proficiency feat that no one gets for free, so compare that to the -5' of speed from the Mechanus Gear. Mechanus Gear is infinitely more awesome, so it wins.
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I prefer a Glassteel (Races of Faerun) breast plate, because it counts as light armor. It gives +7 AC but allows a max DEX bonus of +5, and ACP of only -1. Works for most DEX-based classes because of the light weight. With a high DEX bonus this comes in the same as the Mithril Mechanus Gear (+12 AC: +7 AC +5 DEX vs. +10 AC +2 DEX).
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Celestial Armor has the best total AC output. 5 Armor & 8 Dex for a total of 13 AC.
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Re: [3.5] Best Non Magical Armor
Not true on the exotic proficiency. Technically, any class or prc that is "proficient with all armor" is proficient with exotic armors as well.
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However, you can't run in it, dwarves don't gain the ability to not lose speed in heavy armor, and even making it mithrall won't make it work as medium armor.
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Not true. Races of Stone states that you need the exotic feats, or else you are not proficient with them . Additionally, all classes that are proficient with armors usually says "light, medium, and heavy", excluding exotics.Last edited by Roderick_BR; 2009-03-08 at 11:03 AM.
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The Dex bonus is a mundane statistic. Non-magical (say, Disjunctioned) Celestial Armor is a +5/+8 as I outlined, therefore having the highest total AC bonus out of all non-magical armors.
EDIT: Presumably.Last edited by Eldariel; 2009-03-08 at 03:08 PM.
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Mithral Celestial Armor ftw. =)
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You can "pimp" AC bonus and max dex bonus of an armor through non magical means. With the Artisan Craftsman (IIRC the name) feat from dragon magazine.
The feat allows to craft masterwork weapons, armors and bows with the "artisan mark" on them.
With the feat and 9 ranks in craft (armorsmithing) you could be able to craft a mechanus gear 11 AC bonus and +3 max dex bonus. Mithril included.
If you are a dwarf, from races of stone, you could agument hardness and HP. More, if you have the feat above and you have 14 ranks in armorsmithing.
Nonmagical, I don't know if can be made more than this.
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Gonna throw platinum into the field from the Vassal of Bahamut prc - Though I'm not sure how it stacks up
25 lbs
8 AC
4 max dex
-1 check penalty
20% ASF
No speed reduction
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Re: [3.5] Best Non Magical Armor
As far as I can tell, yes, Mechanus Gear is the best non-magical armor you can buy. But Mithral heavy armor is 9,000 + base masterwork armor costs. For that amount of gp, you can get AC 22+ a number of different ways.
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Yeah, but my reasoning was off. I agree that whatever material it is is already so light that you're probably better off not making it of Mithril. Then again, that's not really made explicit in the RAW; that said, as Core lacks any magical properties that increase the Max Dex bonus, I'd put my money on it being the material making it so light.
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Gold Dragon Plate. Using old Dragonlance rules.
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That brings back memories...
But it's not really 3.5, though.
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I've found another contender: Nightscale (Underdark, p.66). +2 armor bonus, +10 max DEX. Same potential AC as mithril Mechanus gear (12) - although you need a LOT of DEX.
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^Gnome Twistcloth. Infinity max dex bonus.
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^ Technically so is ordinary clothing. It's just a matter of infinity vs. infinity plus one.
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Noone likes mithril full plate... it seems...
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I know, but it looks cool in real life.