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2009-03-15, 12:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
As the title says, I'm looking for a Charisma-based caster class (preferably full-casting) that ideally is not divine (so no Favored Soul).
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2009-03-15, 12:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
Off the top of my head
Well, theres Spirit Shaman, but thats divine.
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2009-03-15, 01:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
Warmage from Complete Arcane is one class. This class does not suffer from arcane spell failure provided that the character is wearing light armor, but it would progress to medium armor after a certain level.
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2009-03-15, 01:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
Dread Necromancer (Heroes of Horror). But surely you have a more specific requirement than "non-divine cha-based full caster, but not a sorcerer"... what are you after?
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2009-03-15, 01:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
There's the Generic Spellcaster from UA.
Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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2009-03-15, 01:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
There's Bard into Sublime Chord, though that requires PrCing.
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2009-03-15, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
Okay, but have you heard of Bards?
(Not full casting I know, but there's at least one way to get that.)
But yeah, what do you have in mind? A Warlock is pretty vastly different from a Warmage but they both use the same stat. Also if you don't mind psionics instead you could go with a Wilder.
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2009-03-15, 01:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
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2009-03-15, 01:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
Personally, I suggest the dread necroamncer class. It offers plenty of perks besides its full casting focus of necromancy such as zombie traits, DR, and makes it far simplier to become a lich if that is what you are looking for.
Warmage is another good class if your looking for your typical blaster type. Both allow the use of light armor, giving you a better AC.Last edited by Saint Nil; 2009-03-15 at 01:53 PM. Reason: A serious lack of spelling skills
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2009-03-15, 01:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
There's also the Battle Sorcerer variant from UA, although if you don't like Sorcerer, that probably won't appeal...
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2009-03-15, 01:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
Dread necromancer is a definite "No." Warmage feels a bit limited to me in terms of spell selection.
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2009-03-15, 01:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
Well, no dread necromancer or warmage then. Sorcerer is kind of obvious, but I can't really think of many others. You could go wizard/sorcerer/Ultimate Magus if your looking for broad spell casting skills.
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2009-03-15, 01:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
What exactly is wrong with Sorcerer? Because it sounds like it's exactly what you're looking for. Any other class that met all of your requirements would be a waste of ink because it would be so similar to Sorcerer.
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2009-03-15, 02:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
True, and annoyingly so. I'm not permitted to use the four core full-casters. Otherwise, I'd be on Sorcerer in a heartbeat.
And the character is a neutral good half-celestial living in the Upper Planes, so undead is not so great an option.
Yes, I know it screams divine casting, but it's not gonna fly.Last edited by afroakuma; 2009-03-15 at 02:08 PM.
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2009-03-15, 02:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
Warmage works if you take Rainbow Servant (CD), since you'd eventually be able to spontaneously cast the entire Cleric spell list. Get the feat Versatile Spellcaster (RotD) and you'll qualify at Warmage 4 (by both RAW and RAI). If you don't like the feel of it, reflavor it to for something other than couatls. Someone I play with just loved his Phoenix Servant character, using the Good, Fire, and Renewal domains in place of Good, Air, and Law. It's probably one of the easiest prestige classes to reflavor to better suit a particular character.
Wilder would be another option if you're able to use Psionics.
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2009-03-15, 02:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
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2009-03-15, 02:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
Well, not a caster per ce, but it sounds like Wilder would work out fine for you. Not the most powerful class ever, but Psionics are a solid system open to accomplish all sorts of goals.
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2009-03-15, 02:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
That's... umm... yikes. Odd ruling - for PrC's with low feat requirements, who's skill requirements don't force it, means the Sorcerer can occasionally get in earlier than the Wizard... that's a bit of an about-face. Hmm.
Yeah, it would be.Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.
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2009-03-15, 02:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
Psionics would be nice, but inadmissable per DM fiat. I'm restricted to arcane or divine, and I'm not a fan of divine.
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2009-03-15, 03:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
...another option might be Bard/Sublime Chord - not exactly "full casting", but pretty close.
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2009-03-15, 03:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
Close, yeah, but it's pretty limp on the latter end.
Still, that's definitely the closest I've seen so far.Need a place to hang? Like Discord? Don't mind dealing with a capricious demon lord? Then you're welcome to join our LGBTQ+ friendly, often silly, very geeky server to discuss food, music, video games, tabletop, and much more.
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2009-03-15, 03:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
Beguiler is technically INT, but follows the same pattern as the Warmage and the Dread Necromancer. A lenient GM might allow you to swap the primary stat from INT to CHA (I'd actually view that as a step down for a straight-class Beguiler, because they have a really great skill list). Of course, your GM sounds pretty rigid, so that's probably not an option, but you might bring it up.
The Dragonfire Adept is an invocation-user like the Warlock, with an at-will breath weapon instead of an at-will lazor pew pew (sorry, "eldritch blast"). Charisma determines the saves for their invocations, and Constitution determines the saves for their breath weapon.
The Spirit Shaman has been mentioned, but it's divine. I'd argue that it feels less divine than a cleric or favored soul, but if you're set against divine on principle, that's a no go.
The Shugenja, also divine, doesn't get a lot of love, mainly because they also don't get a lot of love from WotC, but they have a unique spell list that includes cleric, druid, and sorcerer spells, so you can focus on some of the traditionally arcane spells if you choose. They're kind of underpowered compared to sorcerers, but they still do get full 9th-level casting.
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2009-03-15, 03:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-03-15, 04:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
Perhaps you'd be interested in playing a Binder, from the Tome of magic?
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2009-03-15, 04:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-03-15, 04:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
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But yeah, there's nothing inherently "oriental" about Shugenja. The mage with a strong tie to the elements has a strong presence in European fantasy (and modern American fantasy) as well, and there's no reason to tie it to some BS "exotic" land. Just rename it and you're done.
As for it being underpowered... yeah, that's true, simply because their spell list has been expanded exactly once, in Complete Champion. We all know that more spells means more options and more options means more power, and they haven't been given enough attention to be on par with a proper cleric or sorcerer. They still do have a decent (if not fantastic) selection of spells, somewhere around that of a PHB-only sorcerer (maybe a little less). If it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you, but given the criteria you've presented us, I think it's as close as you're going to get without going Bard -> Sublime Chord (which is, let's face it, basically just a sorcerer with a late start).
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2009-03-15, 04:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
*shrug* It's no different than "Occidental," just sees more currency.
And the five-elements thing marks them out.
Anyways, does anyone have any other suggestions? If I had to go divine, what would you recommend?
(I really don't want to, as I've already been warned I'll need a miraculous justification to keep my divine casting later in the campaign. He's been pretty fair in that respect.)Last edited by afroakuma; 2009-03-15 at 05:01 PM.
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2009-03-15, 05:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
Just go Bard/Sublime Chord then. He'll be behind a Sorcerer in casting level levels 6, 8, 9 & 10, and always has less slots, but otherwise matches Sorc fine and has solid auxillary abilities to go with the casting (like Metamagic Song).
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2009-03-15, 05:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
And less spells known, too...
Cagey DM.
*sigh* What about arcane casters without full casting? Are there any with a fair spell selection apart from bards?Need a place to hang? Like Discord? Don't mind dealing with a capricious demon lord? Then you're welcome to join our LGBTQ+ friendly, often silly, very geeky server to discuss food, music, video games, tabletop, and much more.
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2009-03-15, 05:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Looking for a Cha-based caster (3.X)
I have an alternate question: Why Charisma based?
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