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    Kiss of Seduction
    Enchantment (Charm) [Mind-Affecting]
    Level: Brd 2, Sor/Wiz 3
    Components: V (Brd only), S
    Casting Time: 1 round
    Range: Touch
    Target: One living creature
    Duration: 1 hour/level
    Saving Throw: Will negates
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    This spell affects its subject through a single, lingering kiss. The subject must be unresisting (helpless or willing), although it need not be aware of the magical nature of the kiss. The caster needs one hand free, as normal for spells with somatic components, with which to touch or embrace the subject. Only bards need supply a verbal component, usually woven into a short poem or tune. Though not strictly limited to humanoid subjects, the caster must be practically capable (and willing!) of engaging in a passionate mouth-to-mouth kiss with the subject.

    At the end of the spell, the subject becomes infatuated with the caster (treat the subject's attitude as friendly). The subject receives a +4 bonus on its saving throw if such an infatuation would go against its normal romantic inclinations (gender, species, etc., or violating personal morals such as monogamy); however, if the caster is closer to the subject's preferred idea of a mate, the subject may become helpful instead. The spell otherwise functions as charm monster.

    Kiss of Forgetfulness
    Enchantment (Compulsion) [Mind-Affecting]
    Level: Brd 3, Sor/Wiz 4
    Duration: Instantaneous

    As kiss of seduction, except the subject forgets up to 5 minutes of memories, as the spell modify memory (but only the 'eliminate memory' effect).

    Kiss of Weariness
    Enchantment (Compulsion) [Mind-Affecting]
    Level: Brd 2, Sor/Wiz 3
    Duration: Instantaneous
    Saving Throw: Will partial; see text

    As kiss of seduction, except the subject falls into a deep sleep. Even if the subject succeeds on its Will save or is immune to sleep effects, it becomes fatigued for 1d4 minutes. If the subject is also immune to fatigue, the spell has no effect.

    Kiss of Enthrallment
    Enchantment (Compulsion) [Mind-Affecting]
    Level: Brd 5, Sor/Wiz 6

    As kiss of seduction, except the caster can command the subject, as the spell dominate person. Unlike that spell, the caster must give verbal (rather than telepathic) commands, and gains no other powers over the subject (such as receiving sensory input). The subject may receive a +4 bonus on its saving throw under the same conditions described for kiss of seduction.

    Kiss of Poison
    Enchantment (Compulsion) [Mind-Affecting]
    Level: Asn 4, Brd 6, Sor/Wiz 6
    Duration: Instantaneous
    Saving Throw: Will negates; see text

    As kiss of seduction, except the subject is affected as though poisoned (1d6 Con initial and secondary damage, Will save to negate each instance). This is a mind-affecting effect, not actual poison, and so cannot be affected by mundane or magical healing. A break enchantment, limited wish, miracle, remove curse, or wish spell can remove the effect, or it can be healed naturally (assuming the subject survives).

    Kiss of Madness
    Enchantment (Compulsion) [Mind-Affecting]
    Level: Sor/Wiz 6
    Duration: Instantaneous
    Saving Throw: Will partial; see text

    As kiss of seduction, except the subject becomes insane, as the spell insanity. Even if the subject succeeds on its Will save, it becomes confused for 1d4 rounds.

    Kiss of Death
    Enchantment (Compulsion) [Death, Mind-Affecting]
    Level: Sor/Wiz 8
    Duration: Instantaneous
    Saving Throw: None or Reflex partial; see text.

    As kiss of seduction, except the subject dies. If the subject is not helpless, it can break the kiss with a successful Reflex save, taking instead 3d6 points of damage +1 point per caster level. The subject might die from damage even if it succeeds on its saving throw.

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    (Edit II, to change the level of kiss of weariness, and remove the comparison to sleep since it's not magically sustained sleep, just a normal doze.)

    (Edit III, 'cause I forgot the Duration line for the kiss of death.)
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    Ooh. Vicious. Definitely on the Succubus Sorceror must-steal list...
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    Oh dear... remind me the pretty 'faeries' in the woods aren't really good... because they all end up hags anyways O.o;;

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    Kiss of weariness seems too high a level and kiss of forgetfulness seems too low. Just knock out a guard, kiss them in their sleep and blam, no memmory of the event.

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    Modify memory is Bard 4, and much more flexible (and easier to use). Also the guard would wake up with the physical evidence of the beating; at least modify memory could make up something to explain it.

    You may be right on kiss of weariness though. :) Its one advantage over sleep and deep slumber is the lack of a hit die limit.

    Edit: There, revised the level down for kiss of weariness.
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    Nice. Definatly goes onto my Charm Sorcerer. Yeah, sweet-talking and all that.
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    Wizards and Sorcerers already have a lot of power. I might make these spells available only to bards (or bards and a new prestige class).

    Possibly you could build a domain around these spells (cleric or an unearthed arcana domain wizard).
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    There cool spells and I agree that they should only be bard spells (creepy mental images of old bookish wizards) I also think that kiss of death should deal more damage on a succeded saving throw.
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    *imagines two characters casting kiss of enthrallment on each other*

    Two characters waiting for orders from each other until the durations end.

    Other amusing combinations are out there.

    But how could you miss the Kiss of Dispelling from fairy tale lore (prerequisite: character must be named &quot;prince charming&quot;) ;D
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    Quote Originally Posted by n11
    Wizards and Sorcerers already have a lot of power. I might make these spells available only to bards (or bards and a new prestige class).

    Possibly you could build a domain around these spells (cleric or an unearthed arcana domain wizard).
    Some good ideas. I admit, I had an enchantress sort of character in mind while I wrote the spells, and it's only wizards who'd pick up the whole set anyway. They're too weak in the combat arena -- I can see sorcerers picking up one, maybe two, as a kind of signature spell for urban missions. Bards would be in the same boat, although they're not so pressured to spend spells known on damage dealers rather than utilities.

    A prestige class, though, now that's a thought I've been wandering down myself. As is the idea of a metamagic feat... if I'm going to keep making kiss spells (like your kiss of dispelling -- a very good idea, but breaks the enchantment* mould the others fall into) that are modelled on existing spells, why not just turn it into a new method of delivery? An item creation feat (Imbue Lipstick?) would also fit the bill there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobthedwarf
    There cool spells and I agree that they should only be bard spells (creepy mental images of old bookish wizards) I also think that kiss of death should deal more damage on a succeded saving throw.
    It's the same amount of damage as finger of death, only without the level cap. First I made it Will save, and umm'd and ahh'd over whether to make it partial or negates; then I made it no save, like power word: kill, but that would be too much, so I made it a Reflex partial, and only for subjects able to move. And I wasn't too worried about the damage; there are much more definitive ways to kill someone if you want to be sure of the outcome. This spell has style and sneakiness. ;)

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    Kiss of Legal Consent?
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    If you're making a Prestige Class, maybe Enchantress would be a good working title. I can imagine them getting these spells as bonus additions to their lists (making a Sorcerer an optimal choice) along with full caster all the way.
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    Yoinked.

    This is absolutely perfect for around 33% of my characters.
    You have my thanks.

    As to the crunchiness; seems about balanced to me.
    With the changes you've already made, I've no complaints.

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    Aww, thanks Shiny. :D

    TGVA, the problem with a PrC like that is that, with full progression and bonus spells, and requirements that would align with a Charisma character anyway, why wouldn't a sorcerer take it? (Answer: because they want another PrC that also gives full progression and benefits. ::) I know it's an existing problem, I just don't want to add to it...)

    Plus I've got some pretty cool features in mind, like blowing kisses... :-*
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    Sounds good, the kiss of poison kind of reminds me of Poison Ivy in Batman and Robin.

    The only problem is that I don't see any advantages to these spells over their more conventional equivalent, other than flavor. The conventional equivalent of the spells are easier to execute, and thus are more versatile. Even so, I think you should make a prestige class on it.

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    Some other ideas,
    Freezing Kiss (Paralyzes, as Hold Person)
    Kiss of Truth (Acts as target contained Zone of Truth)
    Kiss of Detection (Detects Good/Evil/Chaos/Law, though can be blocked by Undetecable Alignment, ect.)
    Kiss of Obediance (As suggestion, but no save [somethin's gotta make it special])
    Speaker's Kiss (Enables telepathic link between caster and target)
    Kiss of Health (Transfers HP from Caster to Subject)
    Kiss of Good Faith (Grants bonuses to Saves, Attack, and Damage rolls)
    Kiss of Life (Ressurect target, but caster sacrifices himself [possibly 1d8 damage per HD of target, so it doesn't always kill all the way, but it's a good chance])
    Kiss of Travel (As teleport, affecting on caster and target)
    Kiss of the Fool (Subject takes Int, Cha, and Wis damage, as Touch of Idiocy)

    I'm sure I could think of more...

    Makes me want to play a Kissin' Sorcerer.
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    Isn't this from the old D&D Netbook of Sex?

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    Should have one that removes curses, particularly Dire Polymorph.
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    Nah, stick with the seduction. In the fairy tales, Prince Charming himself never has magic (beyond magic items); the curse is just vulnerable to kissing (or else the Power of LoveTM breaks the spell). On the other hand, mental domination and/or harming others through seduction falls nicely into the purview of villians who are at the very least supernatural in nature.

    As a side note, I feel that the Charm effect should last a bit longer, if only so that people have an excuse to go through the trouble of using Kiss of Seduction rather than Charm Person (besides the fact that KoS is decidedly more stylish, of course).

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    Well, it's much more concealable to cast this, as there's no Verbal components (unless you're a bard, and in that case, yeah), so it's much more stealthy to cast, rather tha actual charm person. But, you have to get them willing, and be in touch range, so it's a bit more difficult to pull off.

    Also, all these should be places on the Beguiler spell list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackMage666 View Post
    Well, it's much more concealable to cast this, as there's no Verbal components (unless you're a bard, and in that case, yeah), so it's much more stealthy to cast, rather tha actual charm person. But, you have to get them willing, and be in touch range, so it's a bit more difficult to pull off.
    True, there is that. I just feel that, if they go through all the trouble to seduce someone, they should probably get some benefit besides "Nobody knows you've enchanted the target." After all, if you're kissing someone in public, odds are you're at least on good terms (if you get the target someplace private, you can probably just use charm person, and if you opt for the helpless target option, everyone around you will likely already know the target's not really attracted to you).
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    I don't know where this would fall, and its not exactly a kiss, but while we're doing romancy (blanket category for all kiss spells, eh?) maybe you could include something like Drowning Gaze. It would function like the drown spell, except not so obvious (they don't gush water from their orifices, etc.) with a range of about 10 or 15 feet (close enough to gaze soulfully into their eyes). It would be a gaze attack. I got this idea from the one romance novel I half-read. "And she drowned in his gaze," now wouldn't that be funny if it were literal.

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    And if they're going to let you kiss them, there's probably no reason to cast the spell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peregrine View Post
    Kiss of Weariness
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    Duration: Instantaneous
    Saving Throw: Will partial; see text

    As kiss of seduction, except the subject falls into a deep sleep. Even if the subject succeeds on its Will save or is immune to sleep effects, it becomes fatigued for 1d4 minutes. If the subject is also immune to fatigue, the spell has no effect.
    Gives a whole new meaning to good-night kiss.

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    Wow, how did you dig this one up? Has somebody been looking through my sig links or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skelengar View Post
    Sounds good, the kiss of poison kind of reminds me of Poison Ivy in Batman and Robin.

    The only problem is that I don't see any advantages to these spells over their more conventional equivalent, other than flavor. The conventional equivalent of the spells are easier to execute, and thus are more versatile. Even so, I think you should make a prestige class on it.
    Hmm... you do have a point... maybe I need to come up with a bit of extra kick for each one. Kiss spells, mk II.

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    *Immagines mindflayer using these spells*
    You're a disturbed individual. Did you have to disturb the rest of us too?

    ...now you've got me imagining using them against a mind flayer. I knew that "doesn't have to be humanoid" clause would come back to haunt me...

    Quote Originally Posted by JackMage666 View Post
    Some other ideas,
    Freezing Kiss (Paralyzes, as Hold Person)
    Kiss of Truth (Acts as target contained Zone of Truth)
    Kiss of Detection (Detects Good/Evil/Chaos/Law, though can be blocked by Undetecable Alignment, ect.)
    Kiss of Obediance (As suggestion, but no save [somethin's gotta make it special])
    Speaker's Kiss (Enables telepathic link between caster and target)
    Kiss of Health (Transfers HP from Caster to Subject)
    Kiss of Good Faith (Grants bonuses to Saves, Attack, and Damage rolls)
    Kiss of Life (Ressurect target, but caster sacrifices himself [possibly 1d8 damage per HD of target, so it doesn't always kill all the way, but it's a good chance])
    Kiss of Travel (As teleport, affecting on caster and target)
    Kiss of the Fool (Subject takes Int, Cha, and Wis damage, as Touch of Idiocy)

    I'm sure I could think of more...

    Makes me want to play a Kissin' Sorcerer.
    I've thought of a few like that... I particularly favour those that remain in the enchantment school, just 'cause.

    But then, as I said earlier, if you're going to keep expanding the idea in this vein, it may as well just be metamagic or something. Or an alternative delivery method, like... oh what's it called... Earthbound Spell? Or like an item creation feat (except that lends itself more to crafting magic lipsticks ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mewtarthio View Post
    As a side note, I feel that the Charm effect should last a bit longer, if only so that people have an excuse to go through the trouble of using Kiss of Seduction rather than Charm Person (besides the fact that KoS is decidedly more stylish, of course).
    Quite likely. Though it does have the advantage of working like charm monster rather than charm person. Charming a nymph with a kiss? That's something to boast about.

    Quote Originally Posted by JackMage666 View Post
    Well, it's much more concealable to cast this, as there's no Verbal components (unless you're a bard, and in that case, yeah), so it's much more stealthy to cast, rather tha actual charm person. But, you have to get them willing, and be in touch range, so it's a bit more difficult to pull off.

    Also, all these should be places on the Beguiler spell list.
    Beguiler's not OGL (nor is it in my collection of books), so it won't make the official listing, but feel free to make your own list of where to place them!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mewtarthio View Post
    True, there is that. I just feel that, if they go through all the trouble to seduce someone, they should probably get some benefit besides "Nobody knows you've enchanted the target." After all, if you're kissing someone in public, odds are you're at least on good terms (if you get the target someplace private, you can probably just use charm person, and if you opt for the helpless target option, everyone around you will likely already know the target's not really attracted to you).
    Okay, definitely thinking I need to kick these up a notch.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kai-Palin View Post
    I don't know where this would fall, and its not exactly a kiss, but while we're doing romancy (blanket category for all kiss spells, eh?) maybe you could include something like Drowning Gaze. It would function like the drown spell, except not so obvious (they don't gush water from their orifices, etc.) with a range of about 10 or 15 feet (close enough to gaze soulfully into their eyes). It would be a gaze attack. I got this idea from the one romance novel I half-read. "And she drowned in his gaze," now wouldn't that be funny if it were literal.
    Hrmmm...

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    Gives a whole new meaning to good-night kiss.
    For a moment there, I was thinking, "Hey, yeah, use this to put the kids to bed."

    Then I remembered the clause about how exactly the spell must be delivered.

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    Blow a Kiss

    Prerequisite: Ability to cast at least three kiss spells.
    Benefit: You can now blow your kisses, increasing the range from touch to 10 feet. Kiss spells may now be cast on any flat-footed or otherwise helpless target within range if the target is aware of the magical nature, otherwise it may be used on any creature within ten feet (following normal kiss guidelines for creature type).
    Normal: Kiss spells are cast as a touch spell.
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    How does a bard make verbal components while kissing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaynor View Post
    Blow a Kiss

    Prerequisite: Ability to cast at least one kiss spell.
    Benefit: You can now blow your kisses, increasing the range from touch to 10 feet. Kiss spells may now be cast on any flat-footed or otherwise helpless target within range if the target is aware of the magical nature, otherwise it may be used on any creature within ten feet (following normal kiss guidelines for creature type).
    Normal: Kiss spells are cast as a touch spell.
    So, a spell that's designed to be cast as a touch spell on a willing or helpless target can now be used with a range of ten feet on any target simply caught off-guard?

    Also, the flavor's wrong. There's no seduction involved to lure your target in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skelengar View Post
    How does a bard make verbal components while kissing?
    Disguise Spell. Recite a brief poem or compose a few bars extolling the lady's virtue (ostensibly to flatter her), then move in for the spell.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skelengar View Post
    And if they're going to let you kiss them, there's probably no reason to cast the spell.
    I can think of a few times it'd be helpful:
    • The caster has approached the mark disguised as a prostitute or something similar
    • The caster and the target are actors, allowing this to be disguised as a stage kiss
    • The game is running Rich's Diplomacy variant, in which there are several levels of friendliness before "Friendly," meaning that "Friendly" means more than just "likes the caster"
    • The target is a shameless philanderer who is easily seduced
    • The caster is impersonating a lover of the target
    • The caster is a heartless, manipulative bastard who's willing to enchant his own friends to save the trouble of treating them nicely
    • The caster has reason to believe that, within the next [caster level] hours, events will occur that may shake the target's loyalty
    • The caster has already magically charmed the target and wishes to subtly renew the spell's duration
    • It's New Year's Eve


    Of course, in all of the above situations, a Telepath would do just as well by simply suppressing the display as he manifests psionic charm on the target, but it's not fair to compare psionic mind control with magical manipulation.

    As a side note, I just learned that my spell checker doesn't recognize the word "spell's."
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    Well, see, there's no point to the ranged feat if you don't have to be helpless. Maybe I'll make it require like three of the kiss spells...

    EDIT: Also, if the target is unwilling of the kiss, but does not actively know it is coming, it would be harder to resist. Think of it as a sneak attack for kissing.
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