Help us get back at our DM?

[Nefreet]

Our DM is starting a new campaign with the three of us being level 1. The only restrictions set up for us are we have to be human, age 18, and we can't be a Loremaster. We want to make the most BROKEN level 1 characters he will ever see. Can anyone help us? Other than the above-mentioned restrictions we probably won't have much access to magic items for a while. A short level-up progression would be cool, too, if nobody minds =)

Thanks guys!

[monty]

Looking at your title, I can't help thinking that this can only end badly. Whenever a game turns into players vs. DM, it never turns out well. Also, the DM will always win if he wants to.

Anyway, if you want the most broken level 1 character imaginable, just play Pun-Pun.

[TaintedLight]

Just play duskblades. INSTANTLY broken.

[streakster]

Just play duskblades. INSTANTLY broken.

Je ne comprende pas.

[Sucrose]

Just play duskblades. INSTANTLY broken.

Please tell me that you jest. In any case, I agree with the first responder that this will not end well. Why do you want to get back at him? For making you play level 1 characters? For removing the possibility of Loremaster? I'm just not seeing why you should be wanting to do this.

[WaterTengu]

Looking at your title, I can't help thinking that this can only end badly. Whenever a game turns into players vs. DM, it never turns out well. Also, the DM will always win if he wants to.

Anyway, if you want the most broken level 1 character imaginable, just play Pun-Pun.

Ok, i keep hearing that word, but I don't know what it is. What is Pun-Pun?

[Ceaon]

The only restrictions set up for us are we have to be human, (...)

(...) Anyway, if you want the most broken level 1 character imaginable, just play Pun-Pun.

Good suggestion, but not possible, I'm afraid.
Could a diplomancer work at level 1?

Edit: PunPun is a kobold who abuses the rules to create an infinite loop. You can read all about it here.

[chiasaur11]

Just play duskblades. INSTANTLY broken.

I see this so often.

People these days just can't spell "druid" right.

[Flickerdart]

Looking at your title, I can't help thinking that this can only end badly. Whenever a game turns into players vs. DM, it never turns out well. Also, the DM will always win if he wants to.

Anyway, if you want the most broken level 1 character imaginable, just play Pun-Pun.

They have to be Human, Pun-Pun is a Kobold.

At level 1, not much broken-ness to be had. Go Wizard with two Flaws so you can pick up Metamagic. Have someone be a Beguiler or Factotum for Trapfinding, and then a Cleric and Druid with a Fleshraker companion.

Alternately, play a Truenamer, CW Samurai, Monk and Soulknife, all with Vow of Poverty. Your DM will be more frustrated at these characters that will never be able to accomplish anything than he would at Pun-Puns.

Edit: Oh yes, Diplomancers. Take Skill Focus: Diplomacy, Negotiator and max CHA for +9, +4 from skill ranks, and 10 average roll for hitting DC23 half the time, enough to make Hostile creatures simply Unfriendly (DC20) or Indifferent (DC25).

[streakster]

Ok, i keep hearing that word, but I don't know what it is. What is Pun-Pun?

By the power of links, I educate thee!

[monty]

Good suggestion, but not possible, I'm afraid.
Could a diplomancer work at level 1?

I guess you haven't seen the most recent Pun-Pun. It can be pretty much anything now.

[Froogleyboy]

If it does become player vs dm the DM WILL win. It happened with me and my players, I simply said:
"The beings of the upper planes are angered by your decisions. Loud music plays in your mind, it is very sharp and shrill. The sky breaks open and floods with angels to punish you"

[chiasaur11]

If it does become player vs dm the DM WILL win. It happened with me and my players, I simply said:
"The beings of the upper planes are angered by your decisions. Loud music plays in your mind, it is very sharp and shrill. The sky breaks open and floods with angels to punish you"

Pun-pun still works.

Singular enemy (self) is possibly the most broken ability ever.

[Jack_Simth]

As others have said, your title is a really, really bad idea.

In a game of DM vs. Players, everybody loses.

Solution: Make the character you'll have the most fun with.

[Dogmantra]

All play monk/paladin multiclasses (start as a level 1 monk, then multi to paladin at level 3)

It CAN'T be more broken

[streakster]

All play monk/paladin multiclasses (start as a level 1 monk, then multi to paladin at level 3)

It CAN'T be more broken

Je ne comprende pas.

[Nefreet]

I've been playing for years, this isn't the old "DM vs. Player" confrontation that most people have replied with. We're just looking for a good combination of broken characters. We're not normally power-levelers or anything, we usually enjoy a nice game, we just want to shake things up for a change.

Again, has to be HUMAN.

Funny thing is I played a monk/paladin in his last campaign. I agree, hella broken.

[Assassin89]

Je ne comprende pas.

Many people dislike the monk and paladin classes. If everyone goes bard, you can be annoying incarnate.

[streakster]

Many people dislike the monk and paladin classes. If everyone goes bard, you can be annoying incarnate.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, I get it. I was assuming this was an attempt at power, hence the "quoi?" factor.

In that case, we somehow need to involve kender. Cohort?

[MeklorIlavator]

I've been playing for years, this isn't the old "DM vs. Player" confrontation that most people have replied with. We're just looking for a good combination of broken characters. We're not normally power-levelers or anything, we usually enjoy a nice game, we just want to shake things up for a change.

Just make a party of Druid, Beguiler, Artificer, Wizard. I think that should be strong enough.

Again, has to be HUMAN.

So far, everything is. Pun-Pun can be human now,

Funny thing is I played a monk/paladin in his last campaign. I agree, hella broken.

How was it broken? Unless you really ignore major class features, you need every stat but Int, and I can't think of anything it would do well.

[Nefreet]

There are only 3 of us, not 4.

[Haven]

Why are you trying to get back at your DM? Is playing 18-year-old level 1 humans really that bad?

[MeklorIlavator]

Druid, Beguiler, and then Preferably Artificer, though Wizard could also work.

[Nefreet]

Why are you trying to get back at your DM? Is playing 18-year-old level 1 humans really that bad?

That really has nothing to do with it, someone else earlier said that, not me.

[WeeFreeMen]

Skip the Magic

Grab a Barbarian or Fighter, get a 2Hander and start beating someones face in..

Just put points in Balance and as for feats Iron will? Idk

Dont care to Optimize a lv 1...

My advice, anything he can throw at you at lv1 can be solved with Brute force or arrows. :D

[Siosilvar]

That really has nothing to do with it, someone else earlier said that, not me.

That has everything to do with it, given the title and the contents of the first post.

Unless you're saying that someone hijacked your account and posted this thread, or somesuch.

[TaintedLight]

Please tell me that you jest.

I know a lot of people don't find the duskblade broken, but it feels to me like they steal the thunder from traditional fighter/wizards in a very annoying way. They may not get fireball, but they get doom scarabs. It's essentially the same thing except better. Versatility in spells is a bit of an issue, but that's what a decent HD and 3/4 BAB are for.

[afroakuma]

Je ne comprende pas.

Je ne comprends pas le mot "comprende." Il me semble que ce n'est pas un mot français.

[Nefreet]

That has everything to do with it, given the title and the contents of the first post.

Unless you're saying that someone hijacked your account and posted this thread, or somesuch.

*smacks self in face with hand*

No, I mean the restrictions of being human, 18, and no loremaster. THAT has nothing to do with this.

[Dixieboy]

If it does become player vs dm the DM WILL win. It happened with me and my players, I simply said:
"The beings of the upper planes are angered by your decisions. Loud music plays in your mind, it is very sharp and shrill. The sky breaks open and floods with angels to punish you"

Pun pun would still win

Infinite BaB HP and AC and all