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    That was certainly unexpected from Haley...

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    Haley is chaotic evil now.

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    Well, that'll certainly be awkward if she comes back.
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    Haley rules. End of discussion.
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    I can't believe she murdered Crystal like that. I also can't believe that Celia thinks Crystal would give her (apparently only) weapon to Haley like that.
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    Nicely played on Haley's part. Also nice to see that Elan's not afraid of standing up to V, in spite of the elf's newly acquired arcane potency.
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    Muahaha. That was awesome.
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    I like how Belkar has this knowing smile on the last panel.
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    YES! OH YES!

    Thank the gods! Go Haley!

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    ...wow... I wasn't expecting that from Haley. This is going to backfire on Haley later.

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    GO Haley GO!
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    Haley is chaotic evil now.
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    Alignment is GRADUAL no matter how much a character concedes to change themselves, the ultimate shift is gradual. A paladin doesn't fall because of a change of alignment, they fall because they broke their code, which can be (whenever the gods decide) instantaneous or likely to shortly take affect.

    Haley is anything but chaotic evil. She might be turning on the slippery slope towards chaotic neutral (if her duty to her father is slipping) but more likely she is still chaotic good because she made sure a murdering girl met her demise AND ensured that she is still determined to fulfill her goal of paying off her father's debts, which is highly admirable (even if its family), imo.

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    So, where will Varsuvius take them? To fight Xykon? What happen if he loose the other souls unexpectedly?(Count on it to happen...)
    Will he wait for Roy be fore going? (IS he resurrected yet?)

    As for Haley; well, she is a Rougue. QED

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest Fennac View Post
    I can't believe she murdered Crystal like that.
    It's not too surprising. Crystal almost did the same to Haley. Justice.

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    This was really evil of Haley. And pretty mean, too.
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    I didn't expect this... but I love the fact how Celia is clueless and Belkar remained silent, knowing what happened.
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    Holy ****! That was awesome.
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    I like how Belkar rolled high on Sense Motive. His Wisdom may be poor, but not so bad as Celia's. Of course, it could just be that Haley got +5 on her Bluff with Celia and -5 with Belkar.

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    ...What the hell?

    That came out of nowhere.

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    Holy badass beating batman!

    Haley rules!

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    There's no 'slippery slope' for Haley in regards to Good vs Neutral. Remember when the Celestial was talking to Roy? A major non-Good action like that can get you 'chucked into the Neutral bin'. And even in mechanical D&D terms, that kind of pivotal, major action is exactly what fuels an alignment change. Cold-blooded, murderous revenge is an Evil act. Which, balanced with her Good actions, makes her Neutral. And Chaotic is pretty much intrinsic to her character ('My Daddy was a First Edition Thief').

    So yeah, we just witnessed our second real OOTS alignment change. (The first was V going from Neutral to Evil. Hir ethical axis is debatable...probably Neutral, making hir NE right now).
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    I really did not see that coming at all. I thought that Haley's sneak attacks wouldn't work on Crystal though since they're of the same level with improved Uncanny Dodge? Is it just a Rogue thing that Crystal doesn't have sufficient levels in because of her Assassin prestige class? I thought it applied for them, too.

    Anyhow, unexpected yet pretty awesome. These plot points are getting wrapped up while creating new complications as we go along. Hopefully we'll see the Western Continent and Roy back alive in the next 2-3 strips.

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    Woah. Now there's a surprise. No sarcasm intended - I really was surprised that Haley would settle things like THIS. Nice job.

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    Holy cow! Haley can be pretty nasty when she's riled.

    And aren't they gonna raise Roy before they take off?

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    That was... cold blood murder?
    Are we sure Haley is still chaotic Good? Or even Goodish?

    I would have never thought Haley would do something like that; it seems really odd from what we know of her personality. I mean, she was the one unwilling to use Soul Bind on the linear guild...
    This comic looks... inconsistent, and in a bad way.

    As for graduality of alignment shifts: that's because people usually change theyr values gradually. Look at V: we could see something going on since ages earlier: be cranky, refuse to rescue Lien, kill Kubota, leave the fleet etc. There was a progression and it fitted nicely. This seems to really be out of the blue.
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    Ah... murder never felt so good.....

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    Woah, I didn't expected that one. That was interesting and kinda awesome.

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    Just. Wow. Haley went all Lou Ferringo on Crystal. That was awesome.
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    Now when Belkar dies, he'll have Crystal to provide him with a nice soft body to provide warmth!

    Seriously, I think I like seeing good things happen to Haley.
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