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    Default [Feat] Metamagic specifically for bards? HERESY!

    Rhyme Spell [Metamagic]
    Your musical spells are whimsically potent.
    Prerequisites: Perform 6 ranks, five uses of Bardic Music per day.
    Benefit: This metamagic can only be applied to a Bard spell slot. Upon applying this metamagic, you must make a Perform check at DC 20+the spell's level. If you succeed this check, you get an increase to caster level equal how much your check beat the DC divided by three, maximum +3. This metamagic feat does not increase the spell level.

    I need to keep the spell level increase at zero. Y'know, because bards getting a new spell level is quite uncommon. Especially when they multiclass like the player in my campaign I'm trying to help. Maximum too harsh? Not a problem.

    Improved Rhyme Spell [Metamagic]
    Your musical spells are much more potent.
    Prerequisites: Perform 9 ranks, Rhyme Spell, 8 uses of Bardic Music per day.
    Benefit: As Rhyme Spell, except as follows: The Perform DC is a flat 20, the maximum CL increase is +10. Also, the spell level of a spell with this metamagic is increased by one.

    Thoughts? Automatic "EACH's"?

    EDIT to 1.1: Increased the DC, kept the Improved Rhyme Spell from booting Caster Level into the stratosphere. Added Bardic Music uses as a prerequisite. Also, only usable for bard spells to avoid cheese. CL increase is now at a steeper proportion to the Perform check.
    EDIT to 1.2: Made more uses of Bardic Music a prerequisite for Improved Rhyme Spell. Also, seeing as bard spells require a verbal component, that rule has been eliminated.

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    Default Re: [Feat] Metamagic specifically for bards? HERES

    You know, I have absolutely nothing constructive to say, but I still think they're good. Maybe a bit overpowered, but come on, we're talking about bards.

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    Default Re: [Feat] Metamagic specifically for bards? HERES

    Precisely. But still, do you think I should make using the metamagic take up a bardic music use per day? I had that thought while I was posting it, but apparently forgot.

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    Default Re: [Feat] Metamagic specifically for bards? HERES

    The perform check looks much too low. Maybe make it +1/5 over the DC? And the bardic music use would help stop it from being used constantly.
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    Default Re: [Feat] Metamagic specifically for bards? HERES

    Quote Originally Posted by Dhavaer
    The perform check looks much too low. Maybe make it +1/5 over the DC? And the bardic music use would help stop it from being used constantly.
    It'd be like Divine Metamagic for bards!

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    Default Re: [Feat] Metamagic specifically for bards? HERES

    Actually, I think I did read about a feat that let bards use bardic music to pay for metamagic, but it might not have been official, or I could be mistaking something else...
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    Default Re: [Feat] Metamagic specifically for bards? HERES

    Quote Originally Posted by Fizban
    Actually, I think I did read about a feat that let bards use bardic music to pay for metamagic, but it might not have been official, or I could be mistaking something else...
    Metamagic Song, page 142 of Races of Stone… Unless there's another feat you were thinking of.
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    Default Re: [Feat] Metamagic specifically for bards? HERES

    I was thinking of increasing the DC for the first one to 20+spell level, and the improved DC to 20. The alternative would be the bardic music use. Anyone have any better ideas, or at least suggestions for which one to choose?

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    Erm, dude, that's way too strong. WAYYYYY too strong. Say I'm a 10th level bard with both feats, max ranks in perform (as bards will do) and a charisma of 22. I'm +19 on perform checks.

    Even when I roll a 1, I get +4 to CL, the same as clerics get from prayer beads of karma, an expensive item that takes up the same slot as their wisdom booster. If I roll a 7 or higher, I cast as a 20th-level bard! Yeah, that's good, alright.

    And who says they even have to be bard spells? Nothing in your feat prohibits taking 1 level of bard and a bunch of wizard, buying a skill-boosting item for perform, and casting horrendously spell-powered everything.

    Make each use require a daily use of bardic music, and give a CL bonus of +1 per 5 points by which you beat the perform DC. And have Bardic Music 5/daily as a prerequisite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kailin
    Erm, dude, that's way too strong. WAYYYYY too strong. Say I'm a 10th level bard with both feats, max ranks in perform (as bards will do) and a charisma of 22. I'm +19 on perform checks.

    Even when I roll a 1, I get +4 to CL, the same as clerics get from prayer beads of karma, an expensive item that takes up the same slot as their wisdom booster. If I roll a 7 or higher, I cast as a 20th-level bard! Yeah, that's good, alright.
    OK, I admit, you have a good point here. Also, I just realized a 20th level bard can, with a very successful perform check with the second feat, have a caster level of 40. I'll change the maximum for Improved Rhyme Spell to +10 or a maximum CL of 20, whichever comes first. Also, I think I should increase the DC whether or not I use a bardic music use.

    And who says they even have to be bard spells? Nothing in your feat prohibits taking 1 level of bard and a bunch of wizard, buying a skill-boosting item for perform, and casting horrendously spell-powered everything.
    Notice that I specifically said that you must apply it to a spell without preparation. However, this does not restrict sorcerers, so I should definitely restrict it to bard spells only.

    Make each use require a daily use of bardic music, and give a CL bonus of +1 per 5 points by which you beat the perform DC. And have Bardic Music 5/daily as a prerequisite.
    Yes, I never thought of requiring a certain number of bardic music uses. I'll add that.

    We are go for launch... of edits. Consider this version 1.1.

    EDIT: As I saw that the DC was still too low for the example, I did indeed divide the bonus, but by three for now.

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    Default Re: [Feat] Metamagic specifically for bards? HERES

    Quote Originally Posted by chaiyo
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    You didn't see my Language thread, did you? ;)

    Looks better, except in order to keep consistency, perhaps Improved Rhyme Spell should have a second prereq of Bardic Music (8/day)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fax_Celestis
    You didn't see my Language thread, did you? ;)

    Looks better, except in order to keep consistency, perhaps Improved Rhyme Spell should have a second prereq of Bardic Music (8/day)
    First of all, yes, I saw that thread, and it gave me mental trauma. You just disillusioned my only grasp of sanity by reminding me of its existance. Thanks.

    Also, that is a good idea. I'll add that. Consider this version 1.2.

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    Default Re: [Feat] Metamagic specifically for bards? HERES

    Make the player have to actually make a rhyming verbal component to use this. Then it's balanced. ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by NullAshton
    Make the player have to actually make a rhyming verbal component to use this. Then it's balanced. ;D
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    Default Re: [Feat] Metamagic specifically for bards? HERES

    Quote Originally Posted by NullAshton
    Make the player have to actually make a rhyming verbal component to use this. Then it's balanced. ;D
    I'm pretty sure it's implied when I say that a verbal component is added. It's at the end of the first feat. Thanks for telling me, though.

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    Default Re: [Feat] Metamagic specifically for bards? HERES

    I think what he meant was, you should make the player himself make up a rhyme for the spell. If you take it that way the Nantucket joke makes much more sense. ;)
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    Rhyme spell has a slightly redundant feature. All bard spells have verbal components. Its a class feature.
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    Default Re: [Feat] Metamagic specifically for bards? HERES

    Quote Originally Posted by NEO|Phyte, Keeper of IRC
    Rhyme spell has a slightly redundant feature. All bard spells have verbal components. Its a class feature.
    *rifles through SRD* I never noticed that. I'll be sure to remove that redundancy and make this the official version 1.2.

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