[4e]Dhampyr/Garrote Grapple Builds

[NPCMook]

So I was looking around and noticed that not many people really take the Vampiric Heritage Feat, or Garrote Training. These two feats together makes a pretty interesting combo...

I'm just wondering if anyone has tried a build involving one or both of these feats.

[Asbestos]

Haven't seen it played or tried it yet, but it'd make a decent Brutal Scoundrel. Fear the bite of the half-vampire half-orc! (or the bugbear with the large sized garrote )

Garrotes are silly however when you consider that by RAW you can use them to choke out an ooze, skeleton, or beholder.

[EarFall]

Ignore that fact. WotC tried to avoid the "blanket immunity" some classes faced in 3.5. They replaced it with "Everything works on everything" for the most part, but any DM who allowed a garroted ooze, I honestly would quit playing, right then, right there, even if it was my best friend.

[Asbestos]

Ignore that fact. WotC tried to avoid the "blanket immunity" some classes faced in 3.5. They replaced it with "Everything works on everything" for the most part, but any DM who allowed a garroted ooze, I honestly would quit playing, right then, right there, even if it was my best friend.

Perhaps you slice it in twain, like a wire through cheese?

[Behold_the_Void]

Perhaps you slice it in twain, like a wire through cheese?

Or figure out some other way to kill the beast. You ARE an adventurer after all. Killing things is your job.

[Sir Homeslice]

Ignore that fact. WotC tried to avoid the "blanket immunity" some classes faced in 3.5. They replaced it with "Everything works on everything" for the most part, but any DM who allowed a garroted ooze, I honestly would quit playing, right then, right there, even if it was my best friend.

Oh stop being dramatic.

[EarFall]

Oh stop being dramatic.

LOL. Fair point. I have some aggression towards 4.0 because one of my players, who is now a DM uses it to punish myself and another player who try to solve things... and instead tells us "basically, if you roll an 11 or higher, you do something good, otherwise, you do something bad."

Which, to me and him, and actually, all the players, is not all that fun. But he thinks the balance creates fun, whereas we see it the opposite - rolling high isn't a challenge, so it's not entertaining. We stick around because he writes good stories, though, and because we still have fun roleplaying.

[NPCMook]

the Downside to using a Garrote is it has no classification, so you can't take either Focus or Expertise feats, I tried building one and actually ran out of feats that really boosted the mechanics around level 16.

FEATS
Level 1: Garrote Training
Level 2: Vampiric Heritage
Level 4: Garrote Novice
Level 6: Improved Grab
Level 8: Garrote Expert
Level 10: Garrote Specialist
Level 11: Mist Form
Level 12: Bloodied Regeneration
Level 14: Backstabber
Level 16: Toughness
Level 18: Thirst for Battle
Level 20: Durable
Level 21: Scent of Blood
Level 22: Epic Will
Level 24: Robust Defenses
Level 26: Epic Fortitude
Level 28: Epic Reflexes
Level 30: Tribe of the Swift Jaguar

After about 14 I really had to dig for some feat choices..

[Mando Knight]

LOL. Fair point. I have some aggression towards 4.0 because one of my players, who is now a DM uses it to punish myself and another player who try to solve things... and instead tells us "basically, if you roll an 11 or higher, you do something good, otherwise, you do something bad."

Which, to me and him, and actually, all the players, is not all that fun. But he thinks the balance creates fun, whereas we see it the opposite - rolling high isn't a challenge, so it's not entertaining. We stick around because he writes good stories, though, and because we still have fun roleplaying.

That's not balance. That's just rolling a d20. 4E doesn't encourage that by RAW any more than 3.5. *leers at your oddball player*

[Asbestos]

Or figure out some other way to kill the beast. You ARE an adventurer after all. Killing things is your job.

Oh, most certainly, I was merely offering a supposed (but unlikely) way in which one might garrote a giant acidic amoeba. Personally I've often felt that salt, or lye if you do things right, might be the best way to destroy an ooze.



NPCMook: What race/build is your half-vampire rogue?