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    Default Let's end the world.

    I have a challenge, of sorts. Let's see how quickly(read as: at how low a level) a given character can end the world. By this, I mean actually break apart the physical planet Earth. This is assuming that this character dwells on Earth. Simply killing everyone on the planet is not the final goal.
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    Rule 2: Cheese is to be limited when possible.

    To get things rolling: create a portal to the center of the planet. Get a Sphere of Annihilation in there. Assuming Spheres are inherently weightless, the planet collapses, then drifts apart.

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    Summon Anti-Osmium Bomb!

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    Singularity bomb.

    Or

    Drop the moon.

    Or

    Drop a sphere of annihilation into the sea.
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    See my sig. It assumes a 50th level caster (a consequence of the thread) but a 17th level caster produces a blast big enough to pop every last hit point (figuring the earth as a series of 10x10x10 cubes of rock, hardness included in every block).
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    Anything that will end the world is by it's nature inherently cheesy, IMHO.
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    Anyone unaging, immune to fire, and able to cause something like 20-30 points of damage per attack (with full PA on a two-handed weapon). A fire genasi fighter should work, fairly low level. You take your weapon and start smashing the world apart. Earth and rock only have a hardness of something like 20, and magma is a non-factor with your immunity. It'll take a while, but eventually you'll break the Earth apart.

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    O-level classless farmer opens a box removing the protection spell on the sphere of annihilation and dumps it on the ground.

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    Opening a portal between the center of the planet and anywhere on the surface would release the pressure in the core, and the solid core would vaporize as it came out the portal, searing anything nearby. As things fall to fill the space, the planet would be dissolved.

    That has nothing to do with D&D though, so I don't have a character level for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidesinger View Post
    Or throw the moon. The damage gets higher and higher the further you get into the thread.

    You could probably make an epic spell that specifically destroys the earth. I don't go into epic so I don't know the specifics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsotha-lanti View Post
    Anyone unaging, immune to fire, and able to cause something like 20-30 points of damage per attack (with full PA on a two-handed weapon). A fire genasi fighter should work, fairly low level. You take your weapon and start smashing the world apart. Earth and rock only have a hardness of something like 20, and magma is a non-factor with your immunity. It'll take a while, but eventually you'll break the Earth apart.
    Well you'd have to have a weapon that was immune to the magma's effects as well.. and you'd have to do something about breathing. Mostly though I can see this working on the crust, but the mantles are sort of like porridge/ooze and the core is molten so what's he do once he's down there other than go for a swim?

    ...
    ...At what level could a magic-user scry out the molten core of a planet and then open a two-way portal to it for long enough to vent it out?
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    Wouldn't the 1 d2 crusader manage the job?

    Doesn't need to be above level ten, if I (unlikely as that may be) remember right.
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    Be an Elan Wizard 11 with a ring of minor fire resistance.. Cast disintegrate at the earth 1/day. Once you reach the mantle, sit atop your many Extended Floating Disks. Try not to go insane over the next 1017 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordguy View Post
    See my sig. It assumes a 50th level caster (a consequence of the thread) but a 17th level caster produces a blast big enough to pop every last hit point (figuring the earth as a series of 10x10x10 cubes of rock, hardness included in every block).
    I still say you might as well go all the way out and go for anti-neutron degenerate matter.
    20th level caster, and assuming a .1% efficiency (Trinity test had ~4.5% efficiency, Little Boy ~1.4%, and modern weapons much higher, but we'll assume worse compression). We'll also use 1x10^9 kg/m^3, the estimated density at the surface of a neutron star according to Wikipedia, as opposed to the denser numbers. We have roughly 566.000.000kg of antimatter (doubled due to the matter involved in such a reaction).
    Resultant explosion deals roughly 1.6*10^20 d6's of damage, averaging 5.630.000.000.000.000.000 (5.6 quintillion) damage.

    That's if only .1% of the matter reacts before the explosion blows so much of it apart that it has no real effect; a full effect as Swordguy I believe used would instead be 5.6 sextillion damage. Using a less conservative estimate for the density (equal to the density of an atomic nucleus, 2x10^17kg/m^3) moves it all the way to roughly 11 octillian damage (and even at 1% efficiency, overcomes the gravitational binding energy of the earth).
    EDIT: Big numbers > me.
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    The entire commoner population of the world locks hands and readies an action to pass a length of string around the world, from east to west. The resulting light-speed transfer of the mass will reverse the earth's rotation, causing currents to freeze. The ocean freezes over, the magma under the earth will harden, and the planet will crack and die.

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    I alternatively advocate that this can be done within RAW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodenbandman View Post
    The entire commoner population of the world locks hands and readies an action to pass a length of string around the world, from east to west. The resulting light-speed transfer of the mass will reverse the earth's rotation, causing currents to freeze. The ocean freezes over, the magma under the earth will harden, and the planet will crack and die.
    Nah, some commoners just go flying into deep space. The commoners can only affect the earth to the extent that they can hold onto it.

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    I don't have any specifics in mind, but I'm pretty sure there's some shenanigans we can pull with Reverse Gravity.

    There's always your standard vacuum + ring gates + pebble super-acceleration trick, but that's easy.

    Perhaps something that moves large quantities of planar mass to other planes? Bringing in a handful of Voidstones would be... well, I forget if they affect nonliving matter, but they'll cause some hazard zones.

    Maybe if we can get to the center of the earth (easy enough) and cast Gate, everything will be drawn into the gate and sent, well, wherever. I hear the Astral is lovely this time of year.

    Eh, I got nothing, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidesinger View Post
    I alternatively advocate that this can be done within RAW.
    Anti-Osmium bomb is RAW. Nothing says you have to be familiar with the created material, likewise, nothing in the RAW says that nuclear physics (etc) don't work in D&D. It breaks no written rules (it may break UNwritten ones, but we aren't talking about URAW, are we?).



    I do regret coming up with the thing, though. It's a perfect storm of RAWtardedness and people that advocate that sort of playstyle in actual game play represent a good portion of what I HATE about gameing/gamers. "The rules say I can" is a cheap cop-out - people damn well know what the designers intended the rules to be, and are deliberately using a poor language choice to produce an effect bad for the game.
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    I think the sort of hideous abuses you have to perpetrate upon the english language to get the Anti-Osmium bomb to function disqualify it under Rule 2 of the OP. Arguing that Antimatter is matter....gah.
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    Antimatter is matter, just with a poor name. The only practical difference is how the quarks happen to be arranged. It's like saying a human is a mammal but a rat isn't, because a rat is arranged differently.
    EDIT: Or perhaps a better example is calling mammals animals but refusing to accept coral or anemones as animals, because of the vastly different biology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lsfreak View Post
    Antimatter is matter, just with a poor name. The only practical difference is how the quarks happen to be arranged. It's like saying a human is a mammal but a rat isn't, because a rat is arranged differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Glyphstone View Post
    I think the sort of hideous abuses you have to perpetrate upon the english language to get the Anti-Osmium bomb to function disqualify it under Rule 2 of the OP. Arguing that Antimatter is matter....gah.
    Ah but it is. Sort of, and for a given definition of mater as anything that has mass and takes up space.


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    Arrangement is important. Citing diamonds and graphite.
    But diamonds and graphite fall under the blanket term "Carbon" likewise anti-mater and regular mater both fall under the term mater.

    But the definition of mater is not what this is about. This is about using the commoner rail gun and such not to end the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Glyphstone View Post
    I think the sort of hideous abuses you have to perpetrate upon the english language to get the Anti-Osmium bomb to function disqualify it under Rule 2 of the OP. Arguing that Antimatter is matter....gah.
    Actually, that rule sort of disqualifies everything. "Cheese" is a relative term and all, but really, isn't BREAKING THE DAMN PLANET the definition of cheese? How the hell are you going to do that without RAW abuse anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swooper View Post
    Actually, that rule sort of disqualifies everything. "Cheese" is a relative term and all, but really, isn't BREAKING THE DAMN PLANET the definition of cheese? How the hell are you going to do that without RAW abuse anyway?
    I submit that my solution was not cheesy at all. Absurd, yes, but not cheesy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swooper View Post
    Actually, that rule sort of disqualifies everything. "Cheese" is a relative term and all, but really, isn't BREAKING THE DAMN PLANET the definition of cheese? How the hell are you going to do that without RAW abuse anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swooper View Post
    ...but really, isn't BREAKING THE DAMN PLANET the definition of cheese?
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    Okay, so now that we've determined what cheese is by English RAW...
    • Chameleon Base Class [3.5]/[PF]: A versatile, morphic class that mimics one basic party role (warrior, caster, sneak, etc) at a time. If you find yourself getting bored of any class you play too long, the Chameleon is for you!
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    Clearly, then, we want to end the world without involving a group dairy products during the whole process.

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    The real question here is whether or not we can summon enough anticheese to crack the world.

    Anybody know the density of cheese off-hand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordguy View Post
    I do regret coming up with the thing, though. It's a perfect storm of RAWtardedness and people that advocate that sort of playstyle in actual game play represent a good portion of what I HATE about gameing/gamers. "The rules say I can" is a cheap cop-out - people damn well know what the designers intended the rules to be, and are deliberately using a poor language choice to produce an effect bad for the game.
    This is not really a case of "the rules say I can", but more like "the rules don't say that I can't".

    Of course, in nearly every roleplaying game (4E excepted), the default is that you can do whatever you like as long as no rule say that you can't.
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