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    DruidGuy

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    Default How small is fine?

    medium is human size ish, small is gnome, tiny is like a small dog, diminutive is like a squirrel and fine is like a bottle cap right? its kind of hard to distinguish and it seems to make a big diffrence in some cases

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    SwashbucklerGuy

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    Default Re: How small is fine?

    That sounds about right. Diminutive is for insects, pretty much.

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    Default Re: How small is fine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hat-Trick View Post
    That sounds about right. Diminutive is for insects, pretty much.
    cool thank you

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    Default Re: How small is fine?

    When looking at the greatest physical dimension (height for bipeds, length for quad+peds): Medium is between 4' and 8', Small is between 2' and 4', Tiny is between 1' and 2', Diminutive is between 0.5' and 1', and Fine is anything less than 0.5'.

    Similarly, Large is between 8' and 16', Huge is between 16' and 32', Gargantuan is between 32' and 64', and Colossal is anything greater than 64'.

    So Fine size basically covers everything from miniscule insects up to very small (as in child-size) rodents. Or gold coins and small jewelry items.
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    Default Re: How small is fine?

    Oddly, the spiders, locusts, and centipedes in swarms are listed as Diminutive, not Fine. They're apparently about as big as bats! They must be some fairly large specimens.

    None of the core monsters appear to be Fine, but you can search the Monster Index for example of Fine creatures. (Just Ctrl+F "Fine".) As one might expect, they're most often encountered in swarms.
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    Abstract positioning, either fully "position doesn't matter" or "zones" or whatever, is fine. If the rules reflect that. Exact positioning, with a visual representation, is fine. But "exact positioning theoretically exists, and the rules interact with it, but it only exists in the GM's head and is communicated to the players a bit at a time" sucks for anything even a little complex. And I say this from a GM POV.

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    Default Re: How small is fine?

    Well, the PHB example for fine is a fly. So, yeah. They're pretty small.

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    Default Re: How small is fine?

    My girlfriend told me not to worry.

    It's fine how it is, no matter how small it is.

    Out of wine comes truth, out of truth the vision clears, and with vision soon appears a grand design. From the grand design we can understand the world. And when you understand the world, you need a lot more wine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_G View Post
    My girlfriend told me not to worry.

    It's fine how it is, no matter how small it is.

    This made me lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origomar View Post
    This made me lol.
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    Default Re: How small is fine?

    Rule of thumb - each size category up doubles in size. Humans are 5-6 feet, so that's your standard for Medium. A Small humanoid would be around 2.5-3 feet, a Tiny humanoid would be 1.25-1.5 feet, a Fine humanoid would be 6-9", and a Diminutive humanoid would be 3-5".... or smaller, since that's the last category.

    Works reasonably well, but isn't exact.
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    Default Re: How small is fine?

    Fine is from this: .
    to the box in which it is written.
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    Default Re: How small is fine?

    Fine is anything cat-sized or smaller. Because a cat is fine too...

    @v: Gah! More brain bleach please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bosssmiley View Post
    Fine is anything cat-sized or smaller. Because a cat is fine too...
    Actually,

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