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    Ettin in the Playground
     
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    Default Skeletal Minion + Awaken Undead = ?

    If you have a Skeletal Minion via the Familiar-Replacing Necromancer Variant from UA, what happens if you cast Awaken Undead on it? Specifically with regards to Feats and/or Ability Score Bonuses.

    I mean, your Minion has as many HD as you have Class Levels and Awaken Undead allows it to get Feats for high HD, so do you effectively get a rather nifty Skeletal cohort for the price of a human fingerbone, 100xp and a familiar? It doesn't seem right to me, so I thought I'd see what the general opinion was.
    I apologise if I come across daft. I'm a bit like that. I also like a good argument, so please don't take offence if I'm somewhat...forthright.

    Please be aware; when it comes to 5ed D&D, I own Core (1st printing) and SCAG only. All my opinions and rulings are based solely on those, unless otherwise stated. I reserve the right of ignorance of errata or any other source.

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    NecromancerGirl

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    Default Re: Skeletal Minion + Awaken Undead = ?

    i think it works.

    However it's not as good as a free cohort, you aren't getting class features and the undead hit die is rather horrid

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    Default Re: Skeletal Minion + Awaken Undead = ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosDefender24 View Post
    i think it works.

    However it's not as good as a free cohort, you aren't getting class features and the undead hit die is rather horrid
    True enough, but it does have juicy d12 HD and Undead Immunities, so it's nothing to be sneezed at.
    I apologise if I come across daft. I'm a bit like that. I also like a good argument, so please don't take offence if I'm somewhat...forthright.

    Please be aware; when it comes to 5ed D&D, I own Core (1st printing) and SCAG only. All my opinions and rulings are based solely on those, unless otherwise stated. I reserve the right of ignorance of errata or any other source.

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    NecromancerGirl

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    Default Re: Skeletal Minion + Awaken Undead = ?

    *sneeze* the d12 hit die isn't so hot when you realize you don't have a Con score. What really kills me is the 1/2 BAB combined with his very low Strength and Dexterity scores (that which would increase your to-hit).
    Last edited by ChaosDefender24; 2009-06-13 at 05:31 PM.

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    Default Re: Skeletal Minion + Awaken Undead = ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosDefender24 View Post
    *sneeze* the d12 hit die isn't so hot when you realize you don't have a Con score.
    Which isn't the same as zero CON. Correct me if I'm wrong, but undead don't get bonuses or penalties on HD, do they?
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    Default Re: Skeletal Minion + Awaken Undead = ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosDefender24 View Post
    *sneeze* the d12 hit die isn't so hot when you realize you don't have a Con score. What really kills me is the 1/2 BAB combined with his very low Strength and Dexterity scores (that which would increase your to-hit).
    That class feature compensates for this by granting some extra hit points per level*. As well, taking this over cohort means you can be a necromancer instead of an enchanter. A cohort that may or may not have an above 10 constitution score anyway.

    *Assuming of course, that you took the other one as well.
    Last edited by Yukitsu; 2009-06-13 at 05:56 PM.
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    Default Re: Skeletal Minion + Awaken Undead = ?

    The lack of bonuses is the problem, yes.

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    Default Re: Skeletal Minion + Awaken Undead = ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogmantra View Post
    Which isn't the same as zero CON. Correct me if I'm wrong, but undead don't get bonuses or penalties on HD, do they?
    You are correct. A non-ability does not inflict a penalty like a 0 score does.

    The half BAB does hurt but the Strength isn't low, per se. You're looking at a 14 Str from level 3, 16 at lvl 9 and 18 at lvl 15. Not amazing, but respectable. Bear in mind that this is compared to a familiar which usually has a Str in the region of 3 and the combat ability of, well, something really bad at combat! Don't forget that you can load your minion with magical doohickies to boost it's meagre abilities as well.
    I apologise if I come across daft. I'm a bit like that. I also like a good argument, so please don't take offence if I'm somewhat...forthright.

    Please be aware; when it comes to 5ed D&D, I own Core (1st printing) and SCAG only. All my opinions and rulings are based solely on those, unless otherwise stated. I reserve the right of ignorance of errata or any other source.

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    Default Re: Skeletal Minion + Awaken Undead = ?

    Seems to work, and is very reasonable considering you have to be a straight Wizard to get much out of it. It's 200 XP, though.

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    NecromancerGirl

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    Default Re: Skeletal Minion + Awaken Undead = ?

    Actually, this could work out maybe if you did the enhanced undead variant and loaded up on Corpsecrafter feats, started play at a higher level where you have the Corpsecrafter feats you need, then made the skeleton.

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