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    Default 4th level party, all spontaneous

    Just a hypothetical question – if you were going to have a 5 character party of 4th level characters, and they all had to be spontaneous casters (excluding psionics), what would you chose?

    - Duskblade
    - Favored Soul
    - Bard
    - Sorcerer
    - Beguiler

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    Sorry, misread the question.

    Duskblade
    Sorcerer
    Favored Soul
    Bard
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    4th level?

    Duskblade.

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    Duskblade
    Sorceror
    Favored Soul
    Shugenja, specializes in Air, Abandons earth.

    Sorceror specializes in the skillmonkey spells, Favored Soul for heals, Duskblade fights in melee and the Shugenja has a nice spread of bombs and other utility as well as back-up heals.
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    Psion, PsyWar, Beguiler, Favored Soul, Duskblade.

    If there are any non-FS spont Divine casters, use them instead. Are the UA variants allowed?
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    Class variants are fine, but remember, it's a 5 man party, and no psionics are allowed.

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    Favored Soul, Duskblade, Sorcerer, Beguiler, Bard

    Gives you a nice wide spell base. One healer with a back-up, two offensive casters, and a rogue-like class. Replaceing the Beguiler or Bard with a dread necromancer will make the party more front line combat oriented.(dread necros with tomb tainted soul are some of the most durable casters in the game.).
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    Does Artificer count?

    Because if so, seriously, Artificer. And I guess maybe a Favoured Soul and a Beguiler and a Duskblade. But mostly Artificer.
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    Warlock, plain and simple. At least one has to be a warlock.
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    UA spellcaster, IIRC those guys are strictly better than a sorc.
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    For the purpose of this excercise, I'm specifically looking for spontaneous casters (arcane or divine), so no Warlocks or Artificers.

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    Five Dread Necros and a small city of Undead should do the trick. Casting? Why?
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    Five man party...
    Skillmonkey, Healer, Tank, Blaster and Buffer.

    Beguiler fills skilmonkey
    Shugenja or Favoured Soul can cover healing. Favoured soul can also hit tank.
    Duskblade or Favoured Soul tank well. Sorcerer with the right build can tank against 3-4 opponents scarily well.
    Blaster, well Sorcerer of course.
    Buffer, Earth Shugenja or Bard.

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    Dread Necromancer with two Lizardfolk Skeletons
    Dread Necromancer with two Lizardfolk Skeletons
    DFI Bard, will be taking Requiem at 6
    Beguiler, handles skillmonkeying
    Spirit Shaman, mostly because I've never tried one before

    Everyone has Tomb-Tainted Soul so the Dread Necromancers can heal with Inflicts and top everyone off between encounters with their at-will touch.

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    Hm. Does the Spellthief count? That could be an interesting one to have for skills/traps/etc..

    Other than that, I'd go with something like:
    Favored Soul
    Battle Sorcerer
    Bard
    Warmage
    Duskblade

    How useful is this: I have no idea, I just picked the classes that looked fun. Regardless, you have a healer, backup healer, fighter-type, a few backup fighter types, plus enough area control. I could probably find some fun prestige classes to go with the group too, might have to look into that. Ah, and maybe find a place for a Hexblade.
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    Beguiler
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    Favoured Soul
    Duskblade
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    Factotum, Duskblade, Favored Soul, Sorcerer and Bard.

    To clarify: Factotum does the skill monkey stuff, Duskblade and Favored Soul are beatsticks. Sorcerer is a utility blaster-caster. Bard backs up the Factotum and takes DFI to increase the damage of the beatsticks.

    But if you mean for a dungeon crawl..

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    Default Re: 4th level party, all spontaneous

    I'd say Beguiller (for skills and mind-affecting spells), Duskblade (for fighting), Favoured Soul (for healing and as a secondary fighter), Bard (focusing on improving Bardic Music for support and acting as another secondary frontliner with Snowflake Wardance) and a Generic Spellcaster using Int (back-up healer/spells which other people can't handle).
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    -Sorcerer
    -Duskblade
    -Beguiler
    -Spirit Shaman
    -Favored Soul

    The first three are obvious, the Favored Soul is to get important cleric spells earlier than the Spirit Shaman. The Spirt Shaman is there because he has access to the entire driud list, and changes his spells known from it each day. It's like having a wizard, except he uses the driud list and already knows all the spells. Dunno if it's actually that effective, but when everyone else has 5-10 spells known, the man with all of them reigns king.

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    Beguiler - control + skill & trapfinding, a must
    Duskblade to frontline
    Favored Soul to beat things, buff and heal
    Sorcerer because Sorcerer
    Shugenja, first talk with FS and sorc then select school to fill gaps.

    Otherwise, 5 bards, maybe each one with 1-2 different PRC.

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    Default Re: 4th level party, all spontaneous

    Rough count of votes so far (It's probably slightly off):

    Duskblade 13
    Favored Soul 13
    Beguiler 11
    Sorcerer 9
    Battle Sorcerer 1
    Bard 7
    Dread Necromancer 7
    Shugenja 3
    Spirit Shaman 2
    Generic Spellcaster 2
    Dragonfire Adept 1
    Warmage 1

    It shouldn't be too hard to get a reasonable DM to house-rule the Healer class into a spontaneous caster. So I'd stick a Healer in a party with a Dread Necromancer, just for lulz potential. Add to that a Duskblade for tankng, and a Bard and a Beguiler to cover Enchantment, Illution, misc. other magic, and various skillz.
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    But if you mean for a dungeon crawl..

    Warmage/Warmage/Warmage/Warmage/Warmage.
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    Duskblade
    Spellthief
    Sorcerer
    Favoured Soul
    Spirit Shaman

    Spirit Shaman covers wilderness-type stuff, as a spontaneous druidic caster, favoured soul for buffs/heals, sorcerer with utility, Duskblade and Spellthief do the fighting, with the Duskblade's huge number of spell slots powering the Spellthief's spells as needed. Spellthief covers sneaky/rogue jobs.

    I can't believe I'm the first to suggest a spellthief. With that many casters to borrow spells from it'd be great fun!
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