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Thread: Paragon Racial Gish [3.5]
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2009-06-22, 01:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Paragon Racial Gish [3.5]
Had an interesting idea for a gish build using racial paragons. Got the idea when I saw the half elf racial paragon ability to take multiple racial paragon classes, and thought "what use is that?" Answer: taking advantage of the bizarre elf fluff (and to a lesser extent Human and Half Elf) of being awesome at both combat and magic. So here's the build:
Spellcasting Class 1 (I prefer beguiler)/Half Elf Paragon 3/Human Paragon 3/Elf Paragon 3/Abjurant Champion 5/Swashbuckler 3/Eldritch Knight 2
What you gain from the paragon classes over 9 levels:
Good HD (d8)
5 Caster Levels
Medium BAB
2 Bonus Feats
Free martial weapon proficiency
Weapon Focus
A good smattering of skills (human lets you pick any class skills) including 1 that remains a class skill forever
Bonuses to spot, search, bluff and diplomacy
Better Low Light Vision (meh)
+2 int, +4 any stat (Int for example)
After the 5 levels of Abjurant Champion your BAB and Caster Level are both 11, you can cast your great beguiler spells as well as some decent attacking. Your +6 to int will be extremely useful for skills as well as spell save DCs. A few levels of swashbuckler afterward makes good use of the Int boost as well and increases your caster level thanks to Abjurant Champion's capstone. If you take Eldritch Knight to the end, you end up with 4 iterative attacks, 6th level Beguiler Spells, and a caster level of 16. Not bad.
I'm aware there are much stronger gish builds, but this one is pretty neat. You've gotta love a big int boost and bonus feats.Last edited by Human Paragon 3; 2009-06-22 at 01:41 AM.
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2009-06-22, 01:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Paragon Racial Gish [3.5]
The bonuses you get from 9 levels are incredibly poor, there are way better way to achieve this.
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2009-06-22, 01:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Paragon Racial Gish [3.5]
Half-elf cannot take both Elf and Human paragon levels, he must pick one or the other. Also, Elf paragon advances wizard casting only, not Beguiler...
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2009-06-22, 02:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Paragon Racial Gish [3.5]
The other downside, apart from this build not being legal, is that you have to be a half-elf. Ick.
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2009-06-22, 02:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-06-22, 03:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Paragon Racial Gish [3.5]
Divided Ancestry (Ex)
Unlike other racial paragons, half-elves can take levels in more than one racial paragon class. After gaining at least one level as a half-elf paragon, a character can take either elf paragon levels or human paragon levels (but not both).