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Thread: 4e A Cleric and an Invoker
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2009-06-26, 01:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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4e A Cleric and an Invoker
Will a Cleric (of the laser beam variety) feel put-out by an Invoker in the same party?
Will their ranged, wisdom-based powers, similar skills and divine RP make one feel redundant?
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2009-06-26, 01:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 4e A Cleric and an Invoker
I dunno, Clerics are the voices of their god, whereas Invokers are their wrath.
That said, it has the potential for either working out horribly, like you said they can have similar feel, or wonderfully, especially if they have the same deity. Then it has potential for a very "We both agree, Pelor doesn't like you, time to burn." kinda thing.Last edited by Starsinger; 2009-06-26 at 01:43 PM.
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Do they walk into a bar?
Their RP might overlap some, depending on the player, but they'll always be unique in combat. A cleric might be more likely to emphasize the healing aspect of his class, an invoker the damage.Halbert's Cubicle - Wherein I write about gaming and . . . you know . . . stuff.
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"A Cleric and an Invoker"
...walk into a bar.~Raevhen~
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I also am making a comment about the old "walking into the bar" joke. Good Times with the Ninja'd.
Anyways, mechanically, they will not step on each other's toes. Rather, I believe they would work as quite a decent combination of divine keywords.
Imagine the carnage of a Turn Undead and Rebuke Undead being available each encounter. Whenever our cleric Turned, I just wished she could do it again.
But, it all depends on the build. They are seperate roles, and they could overlap, but you'd kinda hafta try to do it. The Invoker just has too many good attacks with multiple targets, and the Cleric's best attacks are one enemy at a time.Check out a bunch of stuff I wrote for my campaign world of Oz.
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2009-06-26, 02:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 4e A Cleric and an Invoker
Beam cleric prayers provide buffs to allies.
Invoker prayers hit multiple targets, and debuff enemies.
So... no? yes?
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2009-06-26, 04:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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For your question, I think they could actually have a lot of fun with it.
The better question is, what happens when you put together a Cleric, an Invoker, an Avenger and a Paladin?Rider avatar by Elder Tsofu
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Shouldn't be a problem. The RP aspect might need a bit of watching on the GM's part, but as long as both get some spotlight time, it's fine. If they're both devoted to the same deity, there are some great possibilities for roleplay. If they're different deities, who are somewhat opposed in nature (say, Melora and the Raven Queen, or Pelor and Sehanine), there are also some great possibilities.
The situations you want to avoid:
1. Both are devoted to deities who oppose each other, and they use that opposition as an excuse for party infighting.
2. Both are devoted to similar deities, but one hogs the spotlight when it comes to the divine-related RP. Especially bad if both worship the same deity, but never good in any case.
3. The two create good roleplay (either cooperating or bickering without violent infighting) -- but, as a pair, they hog the spotlight, "crowding out" other characters' roleplay opportunities. Too much of a good thing, in other words.A Butterfly Dreaming - 4e monks and other roleplaying stuff
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These two classes have completely different focuses - for starters, invokers can't heal (their controller elements focus on buffs and sometimes grant temporarily hp). Nobody should feel redundant. It might create interesting roleplaying opportunities, too, especially if they worship the same god.
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After all, isn't death the most crippling status effect?
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Clerics are ordained by Churches. Invokers are not.
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