Epic PC vs. 1st. lvl Kobold Sorcerers

[kpenguin]

Get enough level 1 kobold sorcerers with magic missile and you can take down epics.

So, how would an epic level character survive a nigh-infinite number of lvl 1 kobold sorcerers? How would you build such a character?

I'd think anything with enough spell resistance would do it.

[Asbestos]

I don't know, how long could an Epic level Wizard get 'Shield' to last?

[Trodon]

Anything with SR 22 or higher will do it.

[Fiendish_Dire_Moose]

Couldn't an epic wizard just create an anti magic field that he himself could surpass? Thus making it so the kobolds can't cast spells but he can.

[VirOath]

Couldn't an epic wizard just create an anti magic field that he himself could surpass? Thus making it so the kobolds can't cast spells but he can.

How about the cheapest of all those. Mantle Of Invulnerability: Immune to 4th and lower level spells.

Wizards/Sorcs get it as a spell, and as a globe spell too. 90,000 GP for everyone else.

And shield wouldn't work, it only absorbs 100 points of damage, IIRC.

Best way to challenge the party is to STOP looking at creature mechanics and start playing them intelligently. Then you get to ignore CR rules and wipe your party with Tuckers.

[Asbestos]

Couldn't an epic wizard just create an anti magic field that he himself could surpass? Thus making it so the kobolds can't cast spells but he can.

Probably, but I think it'd be more embarrassing to use a Level 1 spell to defeat the kobold horde.

[Doc Roc]

Sr 30 is easy to get.

[Asbestos]

And shield wouldn't work, it only absorbs 100 points of damage, IIRC.

Best way to challenge the party is to STOP looking at creature mechanics and start playing them intelligently. Then you get to ignore CR rules and wipe your party with Tuckers.

Shield doesn't absorb damage as near as I can tell.

[Gralamin]

Cast an Extended Shield. Laugh as they use up all their spells.

[RTGoodman]

Shield doesn't absorb damage as near as I can tell.

Nope, it just outright BLOCKS magic missiles. It's the brooch of shielding that can sustain 101 points of damage from magic missiles before becoming useless.

That said, yeah, an Epic wizard is always going to have some form of SR, anti-magic (that they can probably shape), or something else to block those. And even a standard shield spell, using one of a bunch of 1st-level slots that otherwise aren't being put to a lot of use at that level, lasts for 20+ minutes, meaning those kobolds are just gonna run out of spells and then be destroyed by a widen cloudkill or somesuch.

[Cieyrin]

You're thinking of a Broach of Shielding, which absorbs 101 points of Magic Missile. EDIT: Ninja'd.

In any case, I'd say persistant lesser globe of invulnerability solves your issue magically. I'd probably be more worried about them mobbing you and grappling you to the ground. Enough Aid Another checks should grapple, pin and then attempt to coup de grace him till it finally takes, though that issue is fixed by a heightened fly and heightened protection from arrows or perhaps ironguard, possibly also heightened, as I don't recall what level that is.

Them's my 2 coppers. Take as you will.

[Animefunkmaster]

Instead of magic missile, I recall there being a level 1 conjuration spell in spell compendium that auto hits. Has an area (5ft square, but you can metamagic that) and does 1d4 damage, ignores sr. I want to say its called "hail of stones" but I am away from my books right now so I can't check it.

[Cieyrin]

Instead of magic missile, I recall there being a level 1 conjuration spell in spell compendium that auto hits. Has an area (5ft square, but you can metamagic that) and does 1d4 damage, ignores sr. I want to say its called "hail of stones" but I am away from my books right now so I can't check it.

You think right, though some DR is hardly outside the reach of an epic wizard to deal w/ that spell, as I believe it's not treated as magic damage but physical, since it summons the pebbles and lets gravity do the work from there.

[ericgrau]

Well it's easy if the mage is prepared. Immunity to low level spells, casting shield right before the kobolds arrive, etc. SR is a bit more plausible, because the epic mage might have it up for other reasons. But otherwise the epic PC is hosed.

[PId6]

Also, you can change into a Force Dragon and become immune to force damage.

Forget about kobolds, try this: NI number of 1st level warlocks with the Assume Supernatural Ability feat on their Eldritch Blast. It becomes a supernatural ability, meaning it's not subject to Globe of Invulnerability and it ignores SR. Damage is untyped, and they each deal 1d6. Requires a ranged touch attack but, with so many, enough of them would roll natural 20s to kill the wizard.

[RTGoodman]

I'd probably be more worried about them mobbing you and grappling you to the ground. Enough Aid Another checks should grapple, pin and then attempt to coup de grace him till it finally takes.

Doesn't work - pinned creatures are explicitly NOT helpless, so coup de grace doesn't work. Also, freedom of movement, which in self-respecting Epic character of any kind should either have permanencied or as a ring or something.

[oxinabox]

umm... your a lvl 20 wizard.
why aren't you in your own private dimiplane...?

What about that lvl 6ish spell that sommons a addymant fortress...1
wait unyil thye beat themselve to death on the walls

[The Mentalist]

If he knows about it I think it's a foregone conclusion (via the methods above) if they get a surprise round I think the that enough magic missiles will take anything.

[The Glyphstone]

Also, you can change into a Force Dragon and become immune to force damage.

Forget about kobolds, try this: NI number of 1st level warlocks with the Assume Supernatural Ability feat on their Eldritch Blast. It becomes a supernatural ability, meaning it's not subject to Globe of Invulnerability and it ignores SR. Damage is untyped, and they each deal 1d6. Requires a ranged touch attack but, with so many, enough of them would roll natural 20s to kill the wizard.

Substitute Ray Deflection for Shield and your problem is solved...immunity to all ranged touch attacks.

[PId6]

Substitute Ray Deflection for Shield and your problem is solved...immunity to all ranged touch attacks.

Not all ranged touch attacks are rays. Would not protect against Eldritch Blast.

[kpenguin]

Not all ranged touch attacks are rays. Would not protect against Eldritch Blast.

Ray deflection protects against all ranged touch attacks, not just rays.

[PId6]

Ray deflection protects against all ranged touch attacks, not just rays.

Really? *flips through SC* Wow, that's a lot more broken than I thought!

[Sir Homeslice]

Tuckers.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha



You're funny.

[Irreverent Fool]

He'd leave.

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[Eldariel]

The Wizard would win the initiative and due to Foresight wouldn't be surprised (or just have Celerity). The rest is elementary. Although I really wonder what kind of a terrain would allow the Kobold Sorcerers to all have Line of Effect to him in the first place, or for that matter reach him. Any character with Epic Spellcasting also has immunity to all non-epic spells. Of course, no reason not to move around invisible anyways and first level Kobolds can't really detect invisibility

Rogue-type's Hide/Move Silently would be so high that even while attacking and moving, the Kobolds could never detect him so that's a moot question anyways. Add to that Darkstalker and Magic Aura to vanish any item auras around him and yeah... Also, see above.


Now, warrior-types would have it harder (duh, they aren't all that epic); they could take a few hundred hits, but after that the life starts to get hard given low epic. They really need SR from some source to survive the barrage, but unlike casters, they lack the means to generate that and if they aren't specifically prepared for this fight, they won't have wasted money on some SR 22 item that isn't of any use to opponents that are actual threats (and costs a ****ton).

Invisibility is frankly their best bet and quite plausible given how handy it is; Force-immunity and high enough SR are both really hard to get for a warrior, not to mention spell immunities. Although Frenzied Berserker could probably wipe out all the Kobolds before dying and then heal up due to some item effect before the Frenzy ends (or just drown himself ) and a Knight's Loyalty Beyond Death could also keep him going. Crusader would have it harder due to Undying Fortitude requiring constant refreshing meaning it'll eventually be penetrated. Of course, if they have become immune to Magic Missile due to some item, negating the other level 1-spells with standard epic gear is childs' play.

[Gaiyamato]

Infinite Kobold level 1 Wizard - Conjurers with Imediate Magic: Abrupt Jaunt and all of them having a different variety of Lesser orb of X, which gives no saving throw and ignores SR.

Make some batteries of group dispellers with scrolls of dispel magic, disjunction and greater dispel magic. They can aid other on the UMD. lol.

The enemy Wizard might win init, but he will struggle to kill all of them in one turn.
His only hope is to teleport or trick his way out.

For extra giggle scatter a bunch of evocationists with counterfire in the mix. lol.

Wizard counter: Gate, step through. Wave good bye. End gate.
Or, Planeshift.

[Wings of Peace]

Initiate of Mystra with Permanent Emanation Anti-Magic Field and Permanent Emanation Greater Consumptive field. Then watch the cleric walk casually along throngs of kobold corpses falling to the ground as he passes by.

[erikun]

Time Stop, Greater Invisibility, Lesser Globe of Invulnerability, Cloudkill

The kobolds can't dispel your Glove of Invulnerability without a targeted dispel, and even then, they'll need to make a 1d20+5 check against a DC 30+. Lesser orbs have no affect inside the Globe, even if they could target the right square.

Cloudkill both blocks sight and auto-kills your kobolds.

[Ellington]

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/spellImmunity.htm

Am I missing something? There seems to be a pretty easy solution to this.

[Indon]

A monk with a nonmagical longbow and some magical source of infinite arrows?

Are the nigh-infinite sorcerors surrounding the PC?