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2009-08-18, 10:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Using Oversized Weapons
Is there a feat that will let you use a large one handed weapon with two hands as a medium creature without penalty? According to the SRD you have to use two hands to wield it and take a -2 penalty to hit.
As usual, monkey grip does not apply.
I vaguely remember a thread about this, but search didn't help because of how general the terms are.
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Just curious, but why would you? I mean, for most 1handed weapons, there is a 2handed weapon that does increased damage of ~the same amount or more damage than a large version of a 2hander.
I mean, look at a long sword. Its 19-20 1d8. A large one would be 19-20 1d10. A great sword is 19-20 2d6. A club is 1d6, large its 1d8, a great club is 1d10. A rapier is 18-20 1d6, large it would be 18-20 1d8, while a falcheon is 18-20 2d4.
Just curious why? Other than possible flavor reasons.
And yea, Strong Arm Bracers would work, since they would allow you to treat a large 1handed weapon as a medium 1handed weapon, and you can almost always use both hands on a 1handed weapon (except rapiers).
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2009-08-18, 11:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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A mildly reflavoured greatclub?
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/weapons.htmLast edited by Ravens_cry; 2009-08-18 at 11:07 AM.
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2009-08-18, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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There is a warmace in CWarrior which is slightly better than a greatclub, except the idiot who wrote it decided for some reason to make it the only freakin weapon in the game that imposes a -1 to your AC when swinging it, because its "awkward". Its stats are pretty much on par with any other similar weapon, so there really isn't much reason for the penalty.
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2009-08-18, 01:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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You could just as easily go for maul, which is martial, big and menacing, if you don't mind wielding a hammer for your bludgeoning needs and would prefer to not deal with a stupid AC penalty that shouldn't be there, anyways. Warmaces are basically the bludgeoning companions to bastard swords, dire picks and war axes, except unnecessarily gimped w/ the lame AC penalty. It does a tad more damage but has no special crit mod, which should balance it w/ the other 3, i would say.
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2009-08-18, 02:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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I guess it might be better to ask this question.
Is there a two-handed bludgeoning martial weapon that's better than the greatclub?
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2009-08-18, 07:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Half giants from the Expanded Psionics Handbook have powerful build, and in their description I believe it says the ability stacks with all other effects that let you wield bigger weapons.
I'd go with proficiency with a maul. Just out of curiosity why are you ruling out monkey grip?
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2009-08-18, 08:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not quite the equivalent of a bastard sword, as it doesn't have the 1-handed exotic clause, it's Martial 2-handed only. It is better than a greatclub, though, as it has the x3 crit. It is in Complete Warrior, as Kylarra said, same as the warmace and dire pick, which are the bastard sword equivalents.
EDIT:Half Giants still have Powerful Build, which doesn't stack with the armbands.
As for no Monkey Grip, he doesn't want the attack penalty, which was why he ruled it out.Last edited by Cieyrin; 2009-08-18 at 08:16 PM.
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2009-08-18, 08:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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The benefits of this racial trait stack with the effects of powers, abilities, and spells that change the subject’s size category.Last edited by ColdSepp; 2009-08-18 at 08:23 PM.
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I thought that the maul did have the 1 handed exotic clause in its write-up.
I'm not an expert like many of you seem to be, but really, at higher levels is the -2 penalty from Monkey Grip that bad? Couldn't you house rule in another feat or some such to remove it?
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2009-08-18, 08:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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You can do anything with house rules.
Monkey Grip is a trap. You take a -2 penalty constantly. The average increase in damage depends on weapon, but using a Greatsword as an example, you gain 3.5 extra damage. If you Power Attack for -2 you gain 4 extra damage.
And you can chose when you power attack.Last edited by ColdSepp; 2009-08-18 at 08:26 PM.
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A Greatclub actually becomes WAY better than any other weapon if you are a Cleric. Spikes (CDivine, HOURS PER LEVEL!!!!) makes your club a +2 weapon that also adds your CL to damage. If you can get a friendly arcane caster to drop a Greater Mighty Wallop (Races of the Dragon) on it, you are swinging a beatstick that does like, 6d6+14 by itself at around level 12, and thats before you add your Str from Divine Powah or any size increases from Righteous Might or even your PA damage. A little magic goes a LONG way!
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2009-08-18, 08:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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i dont remember the thread but i remember someone saying there was a two handed mace that was 1d12 19-20 threat and x4 to crit. or something similar like that.
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