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    Default Scrying At-Will? [D&D 3.5]

    I'm currently unable to access my books, how much would an item that grants Scrying At-Will cost theoretically? If it's in the millions or something, is there an acceptably priced alternative?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kobold-Bard View Post
    I'm currently unable to access my books, how much would an item that grants Scrying At-Will cost theoretically? If it's in the millions or something, is there an acceptably priced alternative?

    Thanks in advance, and sorry if I'm being stupid.

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    112,000 GP if I understand the rules correctly when making a scrying item from scratch that's use activated.
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    It's a level 4 spell (for wizards), so a command-word activated item would cost 4*7*1800gp, or 50,400gp. You still have to provide the 1,000gp mirror as a focus.

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    Default Re: Scrying At-Will? [D&D 3.5]

    Thanks very much. The speed of these boards sometimes is amazing.

    Edit: Actually that's quite a big price difference. How did that happen?
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    Default Re: Scrying At-Will? [D&D 3.5]

    Core doesn't follow its own rules with high regularity?

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    Default Re: Scrying At-Will? [D&D 3.5]

    Because the Custom Item Creation rules are made of lose and fail.

    Longer version: The Custom Item Creation rules price an item based on the level of the spell required multiplied by the caster level required, but in practise there's no relation between the spell level of a permanent magic item and what it's actually worth. An item that casts scrying at will for 50k is quite reasonable, since it allows a save, takes an hour to cast, and isn't the kind of thing that adventurers will always have a use for anyway. An item that casts something like polymorph at will . . . you get the idea.

    The only really reliable way to price an item is to see what people are willing to pay for it. If no-one's buying it, it's probably too expensive, and if everybody's buying it, it's probably too cheap. That's a bit hard to do in a book RPG, though, so WotC just took their best guess at the items in the core books (some are well priced, a lot aren't). They got better with practise, however - the items in the Magic Item Compendium are much more accurately priced, which is one of the reasons I like the book so much.

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    Default Re: Scrying At-Will? [D&D 3.5]

    I don't know where the guy got 112,000gp from. The crystal ball, a use activated scrying item costs 40,000gp.

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    Stuff like this taught me to give up all attempts to count back the prices of DMG items.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AstralFire View Post
    112,000 GP if I understand the rules correctly when making a scrying item from scratch that's use activated.
    Use activation is a worthless guideline for pricing ... the other ones are just poor, but this one is worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AstralFire View Post
    112,000 GP if I understand the rules correctly when making a scrying item from scratch that's use activated.
    I'm not sure where that comes from. Use-activated is spell level * caster level * 2,000gp, which is only 56,000gp. Where's the doubling coming from? Because it's unslotted? Does that even matter for items that aren't granting a bonus?

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    If you're looking for existing items, the Third Eye Sense is a steal at 24k, while the Crystal Ball is a bit overpriced at 42k-80k (depending on version).
    Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.

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    As much as it costs to bind an Elemental Weird. :)

    More seriously, I myself might prefer third eye view.
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    Default Re: Scrying At-Will? [D&D 3.5]

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikasei View Post
    I'm not sure where that comes from. Use-activated is spell level * caster level * 2,000gp, which is only 56,000gp. Where's the doubling coming from? Because it's unslotted? Does that even matter for items that aren't granting a bonus?
    Because of the duration of the spell. Note that you double the cost when the duration is expressed in mins/level.

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    Default Re: Scrying At-Will? [D&D 3.5]

    A little off topic but wouldn't it be easier to just summon an elemental weird and use it in place of scrying yourself? They get their divinations as free actions so in theory as long as you teach them to divine effectively there's nothing they can't find >.>

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    Tidesinger managed to make a radar system that was impossible to beat, by using weirds. It was part of a big Theoretical D&D Psychics thread.
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    Quick question: What the heck is an elemental weird? I've never heard of that before?
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    They're elemental diviners. That's as close I can get without the books on hand.

    Also, they have an elemental pool they're bound to.
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    A wide set of divinations as free actions, regeneration 10 with no way to overcome it, monstrous intellect, and ninth level spells. They're supposedly cr 12 or so.

    I kid you not. An unkillable elemental with 9th level spells, unlimited command elementals, and the ability to force save-or-die every round.... Who will always know you are coming is apparently a lower CR than some dire animals.
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    Default Re: Scrying At-Will? [D&D 3.5]

    Quote Originally Posted by sofawall View Post
    Tidesinger managed to make a radar system that was impossible to beat, by using weirds. It was part of a big Theoretical D&D Psychics thread.
    Yeah. it was over at the wizards board. I happen to be the starter of the thread.
    we also did a lot more digging in the workings of divinations, ultimately resulting in the realization that divination spells defies logic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tidesinger View Post
    A wide set of divinations as free actions, regeneration 10 with no way to overcome it, monstrous intellect, and ninth level spells. They're supposedly cr 12 or so.

    I kid you not. An unkillable elemental with 9th level spells, unlimited command elementals, and the ability to force save-or-die every round.... Who will always know you are coming is apparently a lower CR than some dire animals.
    see now i totally wish i had thought of that in the oneshot game where we could use CR instead of ECL..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidesinger View Post
    A wide set of divinations as free actions, regeneration 10 with no way to overcome it, monstrous intellect, and ninth level spells. They're supposedly cr 12 or so.

    I kid you not. An unkillable elemental with 9th level spells, unlimited command elementals, and the ability to force save-or-die every round.... Who will always know you are coming is apparently a lower CR than some dire animals.
    Not quite unkillable. Suffocation bypasses Regeneration; anything that does Con damage or negative levels will still kill them.

    But yes, the Monster Manual II is a 3.0 book, not a 3.5 book, and has some rather broken critters.
    Of course, by the time I finish this post, it will already be obsolete. C'est la vie.

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    Can't suffocate or drown an elemental. :)

    Con damage and Level drain work, except that the bloody thing knows your spell list, and has the right buffs up. ::sob::
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuki View Post
    Because of the duration of the spell. Note that you double the cost when the duration is expressed in mins/level.
    Where is that rule found? I'm not seeing it in the SRD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stegyre View Post
    Where is that rule found? I'm not seeing it in the SRD.
    "If a continuous item has an effect based on a spell with a duration measured in rounds, multiply the cost by 4. If the duration of the spell is 1 minute/level, multiply the cost by 2, and if the duration is 10 minutes/level, multiply the cost by 1.5. If the spell has a 24-hour duration or greater, divide the cost in half."

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    A level 5 Binder with Improved Binding can use Divination as an at-will by binding Astaroth. (class from Tome of Magic, vestige from Dragon 357: page 68)

    Calibri from the same issue gives Arcane Eye as an at-will, at the same level.
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    spell level x caster level x 1800 gp. 7 * 4 * 1800 = 50,400 gp. Though the actual magic item seems to use spell level x caster level x 1500 gp = 42,000 gp, but with increases for special abilities tacked on.
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