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2009-08-26, 09:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Perform!?!?!?!??!
So, apparently, a DC 25 check is 1d6 gold PER DAY.
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That means after seven weeks of hitting DC 25, and only rolling 6's, a skilled bard is able to equal the treasure a single first-level adventurer earns on his first day of combat.
While the adventurer has earned his money by killing, say, a pair of crippled elderly kobolds, the bard is so talented that he could easily be recruited by the ruling nobility, and if he improves much more, could easily attract the attention of extraplanar creatures.
This does not seem fair.Last edited by shadow_archmagi; 2009-08-26 at 09:46 PM.
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2009-08-26, 09:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-08-26, 09:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Perform!?!?!?!??!
I, as the DM, would rule that every so often a nobleman or member of royalty catches him in a performance and makes a substantial donation.
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2009-08-26, 09:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Performing is very, very low-risk compared to adventuring.
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2009-08-26, 09:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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…Because he might not die that way? Not everyone with ranks in Perform is an adventurer. 1d6 gold is a lot of money for the majority of people.
EDIT: Ninja'ed.Last edited by FirebirdFlying; 2009-08-26 at 09:56 PM.
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2009-08-26, 09:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Perform!?!?!?!??!
Everyone knows that all monsters are dirty filthy rich, whereas NPC's are not. For example, an adventurer is attacked by Ma and Pa Kobold. He kills them. They have the standard treasure per encounter for his level. The same adventurer meets Ma and Pa Kobold in the city of Podunk-Flyspeck, and kills them because he's a racist bastard. They have maybe three copper peces? Maybe?
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2009-08-26, 09:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Preforming is very low risk...Last edited by Milskidasith; 2009-08-26 at 09:57 PM.
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2009-08-26, 10:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Also, like Glyde, I tend to assume the money given there is if someone just waltzed into the middle of the town square and put out a hat, no connections whatsoever - or at least just gig money. There's teaching money, maybe a salary if you're working for someone consistently, etc.
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2009-08-26, 10:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-08-26, 10:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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No, nothing can compare to the fun of being torn apart by vicious talons and drowning in a bloody whirlpool of your own insides, then being devoured whole, crushed and torn even more by razor-sharp fangs, and finally dissolved entirely by stomach acid.
Yep, nothing beats life as an adventurer.Last edited by Elfin; 2009-08-26 at 10:24 PM.
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2009-08-26, 10:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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What people usually seem to forget is that for every invincible plot-armored PC adventurer, there's a PC adventurer who died of a fatal lack of plot armor, and ten NPC adventurers who died from a fatal lack of lack of monsters.
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2009-08-26, 10:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-08-26, 10:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-08-26, 10:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Perform!?!?!?!??!
1d6 gp per day is all a DC 25 check can get you? How about making everyone indifferent to your existence? With 3 synergy skills, a racial bonus, and a feat...
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2009-08-26, 10:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Low risk, low pay-out.
FYI, a level 1 adventurer can level-grind up to 20th in 2 months. In 2 months, this Bard has the equivalent of 30d6gp. The 20th level adventurer has a standard WBL of 760,000gp, 20 levels worth of class features, 7 or more feats, and who knows how many artifacts or magic items.
Yeah, Perform is seriously overpowered. Nerf it, and while you're at it, nerf the Bard too. Again.
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2009-08-26, 10:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-08-26, 10:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-08-26, 10:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Remember that everthing in the rules that is not related to "Kill things and take their stuff" is more or less an afterthought.
Also, while the PC's always have an ample supply of things to kill and stuff to take that is just tough enough to challenge them, but not tough enough to wipe the floor with them, 99% of adventurers are going to keep running into villages harassed by 1st level bandits, or are going to wipe out the cult led by the 17th level necromancer who proceeds to animate their skeletons without bothering to kill them first.
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2009-08-26, 10:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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So... wait...
You need to sing or play to inspire courage.
You need to dance to get any of your wardances off.
You need to sing in order to fight while inspiring courage because otherwise your hands are tied up.
You need to play a handheld instrument in order to continue inspiring courage while casting spells because all Bard spells have Verbal Components.
You need to play the pipes specifically to summon and control rats.
You need to play a stringed instrument to get any of a number of other effects.
I've never heard of any of these in core. What's a wardance? What's this about rats? What are these alleged string-dependent effects? You can hardly blame the core bard for all this.
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2009-08-26, 10:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Snowflake Wardance is in Frostburn. Song of the Heart is in the ECS, Song of the White Raven is in Tome of Battle, and Words of Creation is in the BoED.
Most of the rest can be found while reading the Core rules and seeing how they interact. You cannot sing while casting a Bard spell because only a few Bard spells lack a Verbal component (one or two, and even those are situational), thus you need to play an instrument to maintain your Inspire X ability. You can't use Words of Creation+Song of the Heart+Song of the White Raven with a drum, so you have to sing first.
The pipes part is a magic item. Same with the String instrument part.
Bards effectively need to spend 4 skill points/level on various Perform skills, leaving very little room for much else. Three of the biggest offenders are Core, the remaining two are actually very powerful and should be taken if allowed, and are a staple of Bardic optimization.Last edited by Sinfire Titan; 2009-08-26 at 10:54 PM.
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2009-08-26, 11:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, they did introduce Versatile Performer in the Complete Scoundrel and Melodic Casting in the PHB II, so for two feats you can sing, dance, play stringed intruments, drum, and juggle, and cast spells with verbal components while singing.
But it still means buring one or two feats. Feats that you might, oh, I don't know, need for something else."Once upon a time, a story was never finished..."
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2009-08-26, 11:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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I always figured you just used perform when the DM said that "plot point X happens in 3 months. What do you guys do?" Answer: "I perform everyday. So thats 90d6; average of 720 gold that I use on these potions we require for plot point X."
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2009-08-26, 11:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-08-27, 12:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-08-27, 12:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-08-27, 12:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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A well-built alchemical crafter rakes in a lot more than a well-built performer, sadly. Damn you, alchemical savants!
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