God of Rape

[Adamaro]

No, this is not a joke. If there is god of murder in D&D, there can also be a god of rape (a lesser diety) which i intend to use in my 3.5 campaign. What I would like to know is, how would you stat this guy? I found pretty nice stats for a god of such lvl (Cas), with a minor drawback - his primary weapon is a +3 minor artifact mace (not bad for a god of spite, smashing and slashing, but not what I'm looking for) and if nothing else, I would like some suggestion, what kind of equivalent weapon/ability would God of Rape have?

Also this rape does not apply only to some nonconsensual nice ogre+elf action, but is also a form of taint - forests destroyed by industry, lands plagued by fallout, etc ...

So, to summarize: Whar kind of weapon/ability would you use as a replacement for Cas's main weapon in this case?

tnx

Inspiration for this characeter is a cartographer from swedish movie Sauna. Good movie ;)

[Atelm]

Maybe some kind of minor artifact whip or whip-dagger as a replacement weapon?

Inspiration for this characeter is a cartographer from swedish movie Sauna. Good movie ;)

Correction, it's a finnish movie not swedish.

[Adamaro]

My bad.

[BobVosh]

Wouldn't "God of Corruption" sound better?

Anyway as for a weapon...

I want to say net, simply because it captures and prevents. Kind a funny weapon for a god though.

Or a Lasso of truth! Wonder Woman was practically the god of being raped.

[Sintanan]

Might I suggest looking at blending the Nymphology supplement with the Book of Vile Darkness?

Specifically 'creatures of lust' with some of the variant rules (reflavor the torture rules) in the BoVD.


To add a bit of humor, either let a player roll a 'blue mage' from Nymphology or introduce a reoccurring NPC 'blue mage.'

[Thajocoth]

Well a god of rape would likely go for either a whip, as previously suggested, or maybe something long that you poke with like a lance. I could also see one holding 2 round shields with spikes in their centers.

[Kizara]

A whip is too obvious, and S&M only very rarely has anything to do with rape (as it almost always is concerned with submission, perhaps reluctant, but not violent forcefullness).

You seem to be going for the "violently takes and destroys that which is wholesome or good" as the concept for the god, with a nod towards the most common use of the concept "rape", so I suggest the following:

1) Fire. Yes, he wields fire as a weapon. Its destructive and inherently violent and chaotic.

2) A spiked chain. Sexual connotations if you look for them, fairly 'evil like'. Also, chains often symbolize slavery, which is a form of rape (of freedoms and life). Also, one of the best weapons in DnD, so it 'rapes' in another way. ;)

3) A net and trident/spear. Sexual innuendo is fairly obvious, and the whole symbolism of 'taking' with the net.


I dunno, its late and that's all I could come up with, hope it was at least a bit helpful. Good luck.

[Weimann]

A god of rape would also be the god of any place where some stronger party force themself onto something else, in a destructive way (this could be industry exploiting a natural area, colonialism taking the resources of original settlers, and of course the traditional rape scenario). He should probably be considered a god of opression, rather than corruption.

As for weapon... I'd say maybe a trident or large spear. It's big, heavy and hard to defend against. Also, it has a fitting penetrating quality :P

[Grumman]

If there is god of murder in D&D, there can also be a god of rape (a lesser diety) which i intend to use in my 3.5 campaign.

If it was me running your game, I would present it as a god of plunder/despoilation instead of a god of rape, even if it's the same deity.

I'd throw in 10 levels of Blighter somewhere. I'm sure there's something like Thrallherd that would also fit in well.

[MichielHagen]

A whip is too obvious, and S&M only very rarely has anything to do with rape (as it almost always is concerned with submission, perhaps reluctant, but not violent forcefullness).

You seem to be going for the "violently takes and destroys that which is wholesome or good" as the concept for the god, with a nod towards the most common use of the concept "rape", so I suggest the following:

1) Fire. Yes, he wields fire as a weapon. Its destructive and inherently violent and chaotic.

2) A spiked chain. Sexual connotations if you look for them, fairly 'evil like'. Also, chains often symbolize slavery, which is a form of rape (of freedoms and life). Also, one of the best weapons in DnD, so it 'rapes' in another way. ;)

3) A net and trident/spear. Sexual innuendo is fairly obvious, and the whole symbolism of 'taking' with the net.


I dunno, its late and that's all I could come up with, hope it was at least a bit helpful. Good luck.

In my opinion a whip symbolizes "slavery" a lot better than a spiked chain.


And you seem to be confusing S&M (as do many others) with D/s (domination and submission). They do go hand in hand in many occassions though.
Sadomasochism literally means something like "Enjoying pain/humiliation".

[Rayzin]

Rape is violation in any form by using strength, i can rape a hillside by clearcutting all the trees and then open pit mining it. Corruption doesn't have much to do with rape.

I actually think that this gods weapon should be a hammer or maybe his fists? Oppression or seizure by brute force.

[Kizara]

In my opinion a whip symbolizes "slavery" a lot better than a spiked chain.


And you seem to be confusing S&M (as do many others) with D/s (domination and submission). They do go hand in hand in many occassions though.
Sadomasochism literally means something like "Enjoying pain/humiliation".

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Since the practice of Sadism and Masocism has a great deal more to do with D/s play then it does with true rape, I'm not confusing a damn thing, thanks.

Sadism is recieving (sexual) pleasure from inflicting pain upon others.
Masocisim is recieving (sexual) pleasure from having pain inflicted upon you.
Note that this pain can be emoitional, physical, social, etc. It varies depending on taste and activities, of course; and the best kind combines many at once. But you see, most sadists get a much greater high if there is some level on consension on the part of their subjects (perhaps brought out from the subconcious with some forceful encouragement); although truthfully some really do like something akin to rape.

Thing is, when someone says "rape", and the response is fetish/whips, I feel a need to point out the error in thinking that fetish/alternative/S&M play is about rape, as it almost always isn't. Any true Dom will tell you that if you do it right they will enjoy it, and its only rape in the most absolutely generalistic use of the term, in that you are somewhat forcibly causing them to lose their inhibitions regarding... various acts.

And the spiked chain was me trying to be original and working on several aspects at once:

- it can be seen as a means to capture, as a sort of Bolas grappling tool (I know I've used it like this with a character, even if it isn't strictly RAW)

-and as a means to hold, as chains/bondage

-as a means to inflict pain and harm (spikes)

And it combines all this in one object, that is also a really cool weapon. But yes, you can simply have him use a whip...

[MichielHagen]

S&M and the like discussion:

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Since the practice of Sadism and Masocism has a great deal more to do with D/s play then it does with true rape, I'm not confusing a damn thing, thanks.

Sadism is recieving (sexual) pleasure from inflicting pain upon others.
Masocisim is recieving (sexual) pleasure from having pain inflicted upon you.
Note that this pain can be emoitional, physical, social, etc. It varies depending on taste and activities, of course; and the best kind combines many at once. But you see, most sadists get a much greater high if there is some level on consension on the part of their subjects (perhaps brought out from the subconcious with some forceful encouragement); although truthfully some really do like something akin to rape.

Thing is, when someone says "rape", and the response is fetish/whips, I feel a need to point out the error in thinking that fetish/alternative/S&M play is about rape, as it almost always isn't. Any true Dom will tell you that if you do it right they will enjoy it, and its only rape in the most absolutely generalistic use of the term, in that you are somewhat forcibly causing them to lose their inhibitions regarding... various acts.

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Notice i never linked S&M with rape.
I merely stated that Domination and Submission (D/s) is often incorrectly confused with S&M.
You are absolutely correct that S&M and D/s are a lot more associated than S&M and rape, i never contradicted that.

[Grumman]

So, to summarize: Whar kind of weapon/ability would you use as a replacement for Cas's main weapon in this case?

How about the sodegarami from Oriental Adventures? It's a reach weapon you can use to grapple with. It only has a base D4 damage, but a god is sure to have enough strength that this isn't much of an issue.

[elliott20]

I would change it to a god of violation, where the focal point is on the subjugation and destruction of ideals. Such subjugation is forceful, with power and control being the major components of it's teachings, where the tenets of faith surround the notion of might makes right and that assertion of ones will over another is the ultimate display, and therefore the most righteous form of worship. (Basically, every EVIL D&D religion out there)

this way, you can downplay the sexual component a little bit, which I think can help this from becoming just a really goofy parody of what is very sensitive issue.

As for a weapon? Why does he/she need one? Make it's symbol a set of handcuffs, create a new domain called "Control" where it's basically a bunch of restraint spells and mind control spells.

Really hammer in on the ideology of interaction between might and control. Oooh, what if instead of making the symbol handcuffs you make it a marionette on strings? His weapon of choice? another human being, fighting for him against his will.

The greatest joy of such religion is to bend the mighty to their will.

[BobVosh]

Mind rape better be one of his domain spells.

Also I just remember you can do Mancatcher for a weapon.

[Adamaro]

I see some more explaining is in order.

I did not seek exactly a weapon replacement. Cas is a god of spite and he is all "whack it till' it drops" thing. I was even thinking of replacing this fine mace with a spell-like ability. (Epic dominate/at will?)
GOR would come into a village in his avatar form and have darkest and most violent desires explode in villagers, who would gorge themselves on food, murder, rape and torture. Such stuff. Maybe even a bit Event horizon movie-like.

GOR is one nasty individual. And a common +3 whip does not represent that.

btw tnx for all the comments.

[Fiendish_Dire_Moose]

Chances are you could just use Malcontet as a deity of rape.

[BobVosh]

Mindrape as a SLA? Awesome! Just do it :P

[Shademan]

give him SEVERAL arms and a mouth with three tounges and jagged teeth in place of a groin!

[Keewatin]

I sinister intelligent spiked gauntlet would be a fitting weapon with something like a less child friendly Dr Claw* as its personality.





edit * DR Claw is from the inspector gadget cartoon.

[Pharaoh's Fist]

I... what... just... how... why? Why?

[Shademan]

I... what... just... how... why? Why?

because you deserve it

[Keshay]

because you deserve it

Blaming the victim... how typical.

[Shademan]

hot damn! we are so friggin witty!


not being sarcastic here.

[Jack Zander]

How about a grapple? That one makes the most sense to me.

[Dienekes]

I would change it to a god of violation, where the focal point is on the subjugation and destruction of ideals.

Bah, if the group is mature enough sometimes the disgusting and the shocking are exactly what the goal is.

[Kylarra]

Bah, if the group is mature enough sometimes the disgusting and the shocking are exactly what the goal is.

Eh, then the focus should be on the primary aspect of what it is rather than copping out with the whole "also forests destroyed by industry, lands plagued by fallout, etc ... "

Knee-jerk reactions to the god should be what it is defined by. Shock value for the sake of shock value is dumb.


my 2cp

[LibraryOgre]

The weapon should be light, so it can be used while grappling.

The weapon should be common and concealable.

I'd say a knife or dagger would be what you're looking for. It's a weapon of subtlety and intimidation.

[Pharaoh's Fist]

Oh, I'll show you a dagger. Excuse me while I whip this out.