Endless power points?

[Myrmex]

What's stopping a psion from using Body Fuel & a source of con healing (like, say a level of Binder and Naeberius) from never running out of power points?

[ShneekeyTheLost]

What's stopping a psion from using Body Fuel & a source of con healing (like, say a level of Binder and Naeberius) from never running out of power points?

The fact that Body Fuel causes stat BURN, not stat Damage, and cannot be recovered by magical means.

Ability Burn

This is a special form of ability damage that cannot be magically or psionically healed. It is caused by the use of certain psionic feats and powers. It returns only through natural healing.

[Myrmex]

The fact that Body Fuel causes stat BURN, not stat Damage, and cannot be recovered by magical means.

Iron Heart SURRRRRRRRRGE!



question mark?

[ShneekeyTheLost]

Iron Heart SURRRRRRRRRGE!



question mark?

Nope. Note the "It returns only through natural healing" clause. IHS is not natural healing, thus it doesn't work. Specific trumps general.

[Fishy]

Iron Heart Surge away the condition of 'being out of power points'.

[Faleldir]

What about Strongheart Vest?

[Myou]

Iron Heart Surge away the condition of 'being out of power points'.

Watch the DM Iron Heart Surge you away from the group.

[Eldariel]

Watch the DM Iron Heart Surge you away from the group.

Iron Heart Surge the DM away and take your rightful place on his throne.

[Douglas]

Iron Heart Surge away the condition of 'being out of power points'.

Sorry, but condition has a precise well defined meaning in D&D 3.5 that could not possibly be interpreted to include that.

"Effect" is a bit fuzzier, but good luck convincing a DM that this qualifies.

[Pharaoh's Fist]

The tone of the post leads me to believe he was joking.

[Kylarra]

Iron Heart Surge away the condition of 'being out of power points'.

You are now psychically reformed into metamind 10. enjoy.

[Temet Nosce]

What's stopping a psion from using Body Fuel & a source of con healing (like, say a level of Binder and Naeberius) from never running out of power points?

Skip Naberius and use the Strongheart Vest and it'll work.

[Fax Celestis]

Skip Naberius and use the Strongheart Vest and it'll work.

No, it doesn't. Strongheart Vest repairs ability damage, not ability burn.

[Pharaoh's Fist]

I believe the word used in the description is "prevents", not repair.

[Temet Nosce]

No, it doesn't. Strongheart Vest repairs ability damage, not ability burn.

It doesn't repair anything. It just reduces the ability damage to 0 (which works since ability burn is specifically a type of ability damage with an altered recovery method).

[Fax Celestis]

Well, then watch your DM burn your ability scores. With his DMG.

[Person_Man]

As a side note, I'd say that this thread is a good example of why all abilities should be continuous, at-will, per encounter, or per day. Having different a dozen or so different "fuel" source mechanics (class abilities, spells, psionics, incarnum, Tome of Magic, Tome of Battle, etc) each with it's own re-fuel specifics and exceptions makes the game needlessly complex, and it makes any sort of global balance impossible. It's one of the few things 4E got right. (It's a shame that characters get so few powers, that powers have such thin fluff, and that most powers are boring and duplicative of other powers).

Anywho, try buying a Mindfeeder weapon. Put it on a weapon with a high crit multiplier. Before combat have somebody Summon something. Boost the damage as much as possible. And viola, you get a large number of temporary power points for the next ten minutes, which you can re-fill infinite times per day (assuming you have a source of infinite summoning).

[Myrmex]

Strongheart Vest wouldn't work, since if you don't actually take the ability burn, it doesn't get you pp.

Polymorphing probably wouldn't work, due to the "own body clause", too.

Any way to get temporary ability scores, like temp. hit points?

Anywho, try buying a Mindfeeder weapon. Put it on a weapon with a high crit multiplier. Before combat have somebody Summon something. Boost the damage as much as possible. And viola, you get a large number of temporary power points for the next ten minutes, which you can re-fill infinite times per day (assuming you have a source of infinite summoning).

Hmm, nifty.

[Tiktakkat]

You could always dual wield high crit + keen/improved crit mindfeeder weapons.
You need to be able to survive in melee, but with a 30% base chance of a crit wil 3 or 4 attacks, you should be able to keep yourself well supplied.
For the egregiously merciless, stack it with something that creates helpless targets, and alternate coup de graces with said effects, for continuous fun. Psychic crush works nicely for that. Psionic blast only creates stunned targets, but they conveniently stand still for you to keep trying.

Gah! Ninja'ed while confirming my terms!

[Pharaoh's Fist]

Anywho, try buying a Mindfeeder weapon. Put it on a weapon with a high crit multiplier. Before combat have somebody Summon something. Boost the damage as much as possible. And viola, you get a large number of temporary power points for the next ten minutes, which you can re-fill infinite times per day (assuming you have a source of infinite summoning).

Did someone say reserve feat?

[Yukitsu]

Don't you get more points offing an astral construct than it costs to make?

[Temet Nosce]

Strongheart Vest wouldn't work, since if you don't actually take the ability burn, it doesn't get you pp.

Polymorphing probably wouldn't work, due to the "own body clause", too.

Any way to get temporary ability scores, like temp. hit points?

It should work by RAW. Consider, you activate the feat and take the damage/PP, but the damage is reduced to 0. The only way it wouldn't work is if the first action did not occur at all rather than the end result being different. It's a matter of action sequence.

[Kyeudo]

Play a Warforged Ardent/Metamind, take Practiced Manifester as a feat, and take Temporal Reiteration as a power. Activate Font of Power, then spend the rest of your existance burning your swift actions on Temporal Reiteration. Walla, infinite power points RAW legal and only moderately weaker than a straight psion.

[Pharaoh's Fist]

Any way to get temporary ability scores, like temp. hit points?

How about this?

Mitigate Suffering

Type: Reserve
Source: Complete Champion

You can temporarily relieve ability damage.

Prerequisite: Ability to cast 2nd-level spells.
Benefit: As long as you have any restoration spell or another conjuration (healing) spell that cures ability damage available to cast, you can confer temporary ability points on yourself or an ally. As a standard action, you can create 2 points + 1 point per level of the highest-level such spell you have available to cast.
These ability points can be applied to any single damaged ability, raising it to a maximum of its starting score. Temporary ability points granted in this way disappear after 10 minutes, returning the subject to its previous damaged state unless some other effect restores the lost ability points first. You can use this effect on the same individual as many times as you wish.
As a secondary benefit, you gain a +1 competence bonus to your caster level when casting conjuration (healing) spells.

[Eloel]

That still fixes 'damaged' abilities. 'Burn' is different.

[ZeroNumerous]

Don't you get more points offing an astral construct than it costs to make?

1PP for 15PP. Downside? Construct-type is immune to mindfeeders.

[Curmudgeon]

It should work by RAW. Consider, you activate the feat and take the damage/PP, but the damage is reduced to 0.

No, you don't take the damage.

Any time you would take ability damage, such as Constitution damage or Strength damage, the amount of the damage is reduced by 1 point, to a minimum of 0.

You don't take the damage, then have that damage fixed; instead, Strongheart Vest keeps the damage from ever happening. So you never meet the conditions to activate the Body Fuel feat.

[Temet Nosce]

No, you don't take the damage. You don't take the damage, then have that damage fixed; instead, Strongheart Vest keeps the damage from ever happening. So you never meet the conditions to activate the Body Fuel feat.

That's irrelevant. The reduction doesn't apply until the feat is activated, at which point you already have the PP.

[Eloel]

That's irrelevant. The reduction doesn't apply until the feat is activated, at which point you already have the PP.

Strongheart Vest is irrelevant because it applies to ability DAMAGE, instead of ability BURN.

[Temet Nosce]

Strongheart Vest is irrelevant because it applies to ability DAMAGE, instead of ability BURN.

Psionic maladies in the SRD (or probably somewhere in the XPH, but the SRD is easier to access). Basically Ability Burn is a special form of ability damage (the only difference is it can only be recovered naturally).