[3.x] X stat to Y bonus

[Person_Man]

MASSIVE RE-WRITE: PLEASE IGNORE THIS THREAD. (OR DELETE IT, IF YOU'RE A MOD). IT HAS BEEN UPDATED HERE.

[Typewriter]

I was always a big fan of the whole 'X stat to Y bonus thing', but I wanted to point something out real quick.

While looking through what you have here it was kind of hard to differentiate between the source of the ability and what the ability did. Maybe underlining or italicizing would be handy.

Example:
Illumian (Uurkrau) Bonus Spells RD p54 3.5
or
Illumian (Uurkrau) Bonus Spells RD p54 3.5
or
Illumian (Uurkrau) Bonus Spells RD p54 3.5

Feel free to ignore me, just pointing out the first thing that came to my mind :)

[Myou]

Actual tables might be best.

But tables or no, great job. :3

[Random832]

I can do a table format if you want.

[Temet Nosce]

Different organization from what I recall, and GitP is a really weird place to choose to place optimization information but I do appreciate the work. WotC forums are so screwed I've been sticking to using the Google caches.

[tonberrian]

I think that a table format is going to be too large, and you would need separate tables for each subheading under each stat to keep it organized. Probably the best would be using [code] to format it, like this reposting at Brilliant Gameologists.

[Random832]

I think that a table format is going to be too large, and you would need separate tables for each subheading under each stat to keep it organized. Probably the best would be using [code] to format it, like this reposting at Brilliant Gameologists.

It's not clear how that's better or smaller than a table.

[tonberrian]

{table=head]Name|Bonus|Source
RACES/TEMPLATES||
Illumian (Aeshkrau)|Bonus Spells|RD 54 3.5
CLASSES||
Half-Orc Druid sub lvl|Wild Empathy (instead of Cha)|RD 159 3.5
FEATS||
Brutal Throw|Thrown Weapons|CAd 106 3.5
Channeled Rage|Willpower Save|RD 105 3.5
Might Makes Right|Leadership (replaces Cha)|Rac 166 3.0
EQUIPMENT||
Comp. Long/Shortbow|Ranged damage|PH 117 3.5
SPELLS/POWERS/OTHER||
None?||[/table]

Or, alternatively:
RACES/TEMPLATES
{table=head]Name|Bonus|Source
Illumian (Aeshkrau)|Bonus Spells|RD 54 3.5
[/table]
CLASSES
{table=head]Name|Bonus|Source
Half-Orc Druid sub lvl|Wild Empathy (instead of Cha)|RD 159 3.5
[/table]
FEATS
{table=head]Name|Bonus|Source
Brutal Throw|Thrown Weapons|CAd 106 3.5
Channeled Rage|Willpower Save|RD 105 3.5
Might Makes Right|Leadership (replaces Cha|Rac 166 3.0
[/table]
EQUIPMENT
{table=head]Name|Bonus|Source
Comp. Long/Shortbow|Ranged damage|PH 117 3.5
[/table]
SPELLS/POWERS/OTHER
{table=head]Name|Bonus|Source
None?||
[/table]

as opposed to:

Class/Feat/Race        Source                     Bonus
 RACES/TEMPLATES
Illumian (Aeshkrau)    Races of Destiny p54 3.5   Bonus Spells
 CLASSES
1/2 Orc Druid sub lvl  Races of Destiny p159 3.5  Wild Empathy (instead of Charisma)
 FEATS
Brutal Throw           Complete Adv. p106 3.5     Thrown Weapons
Channeled Rage         Races of Destiny p150 3.5  Willpower Save
Might Makes Right      Races of Faerun p166 3.0   Leadership (replaces Cha)
 SPELLS/POWERS
 EQUIPMENT
Composite Long/shortbow Players Handbook p117 3.5 Ranged damage

The code block is significantly smaller, and moreover, has the added benefits of not cutting off coding between cells and not drawing the eye over to empty space. Granted, formatting the code block is done better with a monospaced font (which the Post Message field does not have), but it's still considerably easier to format (once you get the spacing right).

Edit: And remember - tables will wrap lines within a cell (that's bad). Code blocks won't.

Edit Edit: Ooh, I never realized that the tables could be sorted by column. That might be worth the extra size if you took that into account.

[Nohwl]

so this is supposed to be an update to the old ones?

[sofawall]

This is an re-post of old and very much used thread. Someone tried to update it while back, but then pretty much abandoned it rather then hunting down all off the correct book and page number references. And it seems like a lot of the more obscure and setting specific stuff is missing. And now that WotC has changed their forums, the formatting of the original post is totally off. So I though I'd repost it here where all of us can access it easily, and ask people for updates.

A frequent build problem is that at mid-high levels, it's likely that your character will only have one or two high attributes, because you have limited bonus attribute points from levels and limited treasure to buy attribute boosting items. Thus it's in your best interest to derive as many bonuses as possible from as few attributes as possible. So the purpose of this post is to compile a list of everything that provides a bonus to anything derived from any attribute.

The format of the chart is:

Name, Source pg #, Edition, Bonus Type

Strength

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RACES/TEMPLATES
Illumian (Aeshkrau) Bonus Spells RD 54 3.5

CLASSES
Half-Orc Druid sub lvl Wild Empathy (instead of Cha) RD 159 3.5

FEATS
Brutal Throw Thrown Weapons CAd 106 3.5
Channeled Rage Willpower Save RD 105 3.5
Might Makes Right Leadership (replaces Cha) Rac 166 3.0

EQUIPMENT
Comp. Long/Shortbow Ranged damage PH 117 3.5

SPELLS/POWERS/OTHER
None?

Dexterity

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Race
Illumian (Uurhuun) Overcome SR RD p54 3.5
Illumian (Uurkrau) Bonus Spells RD p54 3.5
Muckdweller Swim checks (replaces strength) SK p71

CLASSES
Champion of C.L. 2 Damage RW p113 3.5
Corsair 9 Damage (replaces Strength) Dragon #321 p86 3.5
Fighter Variant Ranged Damage (replaces Strength) Dragon #310
Fighter 1 (Drow) Damage vs Flat-footed foes DrU p58 3.5
Perfected One EPIC PrC: Fortitude saves (while unarmoured) Dragons #297 p56
Agile Athlete Races o' Wild p148 3.5 Jump and Climb (instead of Strength)
Companion Guard Style Dragon #315 *?* *?* Hit (replaces Strength) with Longsword or Long spear (+ other benefits)
Crossbow Sniper Players Handbook II *?* 3.5 1/2 Damage to crossbow
Dead Eye DragMag304/DragComp p95 *?* Damage (Eratta here)
Shadow Blade Tome of Battle p32 3.5 Damage with Shadow Hand weapons
Tactile Trapsmith Complete Adv. p112 3.5 Disable Device and Search (instead of Intelligence)
Weapon finese PHB p102 3.5 Hit (replaces Strength)

EQUIPMENT
Boots of Agile Leaping MIC *?* 3.5 Jump checks, replaces str (also allows you to get up from prone as a swift action!)
Fey-craft Template DMG II p275 3.5 To hit, replaces Strength, light weapons only
Fierce enchantment Arms/Equip guide p96 3.0 Damage, Removes AC bonus
Sword of Graceful Strikes Arms/Equip guide p120 3.0 Damage

SPELLS/POWERS/OTHER
None?

Constitution

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RACES/TEMPLATES
Mineral Warrior (+1 LA) Underdark p96 3.5 Hit (1/Day)

CLASSES
Bloodhound Complete Adv. p28 3.5 Willpower saves vs mark.
Deepwarden 2 Races of Stone p105 3.5 AC
Dwarf Sorc. Sub lvl 9 Races of Stone p147 3.5 Bonus Spells
Forsaker Masters ot Wild p57 3.0 AC (Natural)
Fist of the Forest Complete Champion p80 AC while unarmoured
Kensai 5 Complete Warrior p49 3.5 Reflex saves (Withstand, allows Consentration for Ref saves)
Perfected One Dragons #297 p56 EPIC PrC: Willpower saves (while unarmoured)
Warforged Paladin sub 2 Races of Eberron p132 3.5 Con bonus to Will save

FEATS
Improved Bind Vestige Tome of Magic p?? 3.5 Dahlver-Nar Vestige Bind grants 1/2 AC (Natural)
Steadfast Determination Players Handbook II 3.5 Will saves

EQUIPMENT
Hammer of Earth Magic of Rokugen p66 3.0 Damage

SPELLS/POWERS/OTHER
Action Before Thought Tome of Battle p62 3.5 Concentration check instead of reflex save
Insightful Strike Tome of Battle p62 3.5 Concentration check instead of damage roll
Insightful Strike, Great Tome of Battle p62 3.5 2xConcentration check instead of damage roll
Mind Over Body Tome of Battle p63 3.5 Concentration check instead of fort save
Moment of Perfect Mind Tome of Battle p63 3.5 Concentration check instead of will save

Intelligence

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RACES/TEMPLATES
None?

CLASSES
Bayushi Deciever Oriental Adv. p225 3.0 Initiative
Blade Singer 1 Complete Warrior p17 3.5 AC
Darkrunner 3/8 Lords of Madness p187 3.5 Initiative underground / Damage while in difficult terrain
Duellist 1 DMG p185 3.5 AC
Eternal Blade 1 Tome of Battle p110 3.5 Int to attack and damage rolls agaisnt a single creature type
Eternal Blade 6 Tome of Battle p110 3.5 Int as dodge bonus to AC (swift action)
Exemplar 8 Complete Adv. p44 3.5 Initiative and Reflex Saves
Factotum 1 Dungeonscape p14 3.5 Attack, Save or Damage (requires an inspiration point)
Factotum 3 Dungeonscape p14 3.5 AC versus one foe (requires an inspiration point)
Factotum 3 Dungeonscape p14 3.5 Str/Dex checks and skill checks
Factotum 16 Dungeonscape p14 3.5 Dodge bonus to AC
Iajutsu Master OA p41 3.0 AC
Illusionist Variant Unearthed Arcana p63 3.5 Hide Skill
Invisible Blade 1 Complete Warrior p44 3.5 AC
Mantis Mercenary 5 OA p231 3.0 AC from dodge feat
Montebank 1 Complete Scoundrel Bluff
Nightcloak 7 Complete Divine WE 3.5 Saves
Sanctified One 1 Complete Champion p101 Caster Level (1 round/day, can get additional uses at levels 3 anf 5), must worship Wee Jas.
Swashbuckler 3 Complete Warrior p11 3.5 Damage
Swiftblade 2 Online 3.5 Initiative (uses primary arcane casting statistic)
Warblade 1 Tome of Battle p22 3.5 Int to Reflex saves (maximum warblade level)
Warblade 3 Tome of Battle p22 3.5 Int to critical confirmation rolls
Warblade 7 Tome of Battle p22 3.5 Int to melee damage against flat-footed and flanked foes
Warblade 11 Tome of Battle p22 3.5 Int to opposing enemy's bull rush, disarm, feint, overrun, sunder, or trip
Warblade 15 Tome of Battle p22 3.5 Int to melee attack and damage on attacks of opportunity
Warmage 1 Complete Arcane p13 3.5 Spell Damage

FEATS
Ascetic Psion Secrets of Sarlona p115 AC, replaces monks wis to AC
Carmendine Monk Champ. of Valour p28 AC and Stunning fist (plus some other stuff)
Faerie Mysteries Init. Dragon #319 p58 3.5 Hit Points (replaces Con)
Insightful Reflexes Complete Adv. p110 3.5 Reflex Save (instead of Dexterity)
Keen Intellect Dragon #318 p38 3.5 Will saves and some skills (replaces Wis)
Kung Fu Genius DragMag319/DragComp p101 Monk Powers (replaces Wis)
Rapscallion DragMag315 Bluff (Greyhawk regional feat)

EQUIPMENT
None?

SPELLS/POWERS/OTHER
Control Body XPH p86 3.5 Attack, Damage & AC
Thunder Lance Spell Compendium 220 Attack and Damage with Lance
Whirling Blade Complete Arcane p129 3.5 Attack & Damage

Wisdom

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RACES/TEMPLATES
Illumian (Aeshhoon) Races of Destiny p54 3.5 Damage
Illumian (Uurhuun) Races of Destiny p54 3.5 Reflex
Saint Template (+2 LA) BoED p185 3.5 AC

CLASSES
Battlesmith 1 Races of Stone p96 3.5 Damage
Citadel Elite 5 Eberron: Sharn p165 3.5 Fort save (in addition to Con)
Cloud Anchorite Frostburn p52 3.5 Balance, Climb and Jump Skills
Dragon warrior 1/2 Dragon #298 p104 3.0 Hit Points/AC
Hunter of the Dead 3 Complete Warrior p43 Saves vs the spells and effects of undead
Impure Prince 4 Magic of Eberron p74 3.5 Fort (replaces Con)
Mantis Mercinary 5 OA p231 3.0 AC from dodge feat
Monk 1 PHB p39 3.5 AC (Doesn't stack with Ninja)
Moon-Warded Ranger 2 Dragon 340 p55 Wisdom to AC as a monk.
Mortal Hunter 5 BoVD p65 *?* Saves vs spells
Ninja 1 Complete Adv. p5 3.5 AC (Doesn't stack with Monk)
Ordained Champion 5 Complete Champion p91 3.5 Attack/Damage, replaces Str, uses turn attempts
Perfected One Dragons #297 p56 EPIC PrC: Reflex saves (while unarmoured)
Sacred Fist 4 Complete Divine p59 3.5 Damage
Shiba Protector 1 OA p222 3.0 Hit/Damage
Shifter Drd 5 sub lvl Races of Eberron p127 Replaces Constitution to determine the duration of shifting
Shifter Rng 1 sub lvl Races of Eberron p128 Replaces Charisma for Wild Empathy
Soulbow 1 Complete Psionics p36 3.5 Damage (with Mind Arrows)
Sword Sage 2 Tome of Battle p16 3.5 Wis to AC in light armor
Sword Sage 4/12 Tome of Battle p16 3.5 Wis to strike damage with chosen discipline

FEATS
Dungeoneers Intuition Waterdeep book? p??? 3.5 Trapsense and Trapsense bonus to AC in surprise rounds
Intuative Strike BoED p44 3.5 Hit
Serenity DragMag306/DragComp p106 Divine grace, lay on hands, smite evil and turn undead
Yondalla's Sense Races o' Wild p152 3.5 Initiative
Zen Archery Complete Warrior p106 3.5 Hit

EQUIPMENT
Monk's Belt DMG p248 3.5 AC (listed as "Belt, Monk's")
OTHER
Balance Domain PGtF p84 / Underdark p53 AC for 1 round per level
Watery Death Domain PGtF p92 3.5 Attack (smite, aquatic creatures only)

SPELLS/POWERS/OTHER
None?

Charisma

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RACES/TEMPLATES
Astral Stalker MM3 p12 3.5 AC/saves, 12 HD +6 LA
Dry Lich Sandstorm p155 3.5 Hit Points
Gloura Underdark p88 3.5 AC/Saves, 7 HD +2 LA
Incorporeal Sub-type MM p310 3.5 AC (list of incorporeal monsters on p5, also Ritual of Transfiguration from SS and Ghostform spell from CA)
Killoren (Destroyer Aspect) RotW p102 3.5 Cha to attack, 1/hour
Nymph MM p197 3.5 AC/Saves, 6HD +7 LA
Grimwierd MMIII p75 3.5 AC/Saves, 12HD +3 LA
Undead type MM p317 3.5 Concentration skill
Unholy Scion Heroes of Horror p156 3.5 AC (Deflection), +5 LA

CLASSES
Akodo Champion 2 Oriental Adv. p220 3.0 Saves
Arcane Duellist 2 Online AC
Battle Dancer DragMag#159/DragComp p26 AC
Blackguard 2 DMG p181 3.5 Saves
Blackguard 2 DMG p182 3.5 Attack Rolls (Smite, limited times per day)
Corrupt Avenger 3 Heroes of Horror p88 3.5 Saves
Chameleon 3 Races of Destinty p112 3.5 Attack (Smite 1/day per 3 levels)
Crusader 2 Tome of Battle p11 3.5 Cha bonus to will saves (doesn't stack with Divine Grace)
Gwenyfhar BoED p56 3.5 Saves
Defiant 2 Planar Handbook p44 3.5 Cha to saves vs divine spells
Dread Pirate 9 Complete Adv. p39 3.5 AC, Self and Allies, 1/Day
Eldeen Ranger 3 Eberon CS p74 3.5 Saves, Greensingers only
Exemplar 4 Complete Adv. p44 3.5 Concentration and Fortitude saves
Hexblade 2 Complete Warrior p5 3.5 Saves (vs Spells)
Holy Liberator 4 Complete Divine p45 3.5 Saves
Iajutsu Master 2/5 OA p41 3.0 Initiative/Damage
Justicar of Tyr 5 PGtF p65 Saves vs chaotic spells/outsiders
Knight o.t. Sacred Seal 2 Tome of Magic 3.5 AC and Reflex 1 round in 5
Marshall 1 Miniatures HB p11 3.5 (Various)
Martyred Champion 4 PGtF p184 3.5 Saves
Master of Yuirwood 9 Un. East p24 3.0 Saves
Mystic Wonderer Magic of Faerun p35 3.0 AC
Paladin PHB p42 3.5 Attack Rolls (Smite, limited times per day)
Paladin 2 PHB p42 3.5 Saves
Paladin 2 sub lvl Champions of Valour p48 AC (Replaces bonus to Saves)
Platinum Knight 5 Draconomicon p137 Save vs evil dragons
Risen Martyr 2 BoED p68 3.5 AC
Samurai 3 Complete Warrior p9 3.5 Attack and Damage for 1 attack
Shaman 5 Oriental Adv. p24 3.0 Saves
Slayer of Domiel 2 BoED p73 3.5 Saves
Soldier of Light Deities & D.gods p208 3.0 Saves
Swiftblade 2 Online 3.5 Initiative (uses primary arcane casting statistic)
Tattooed Monk 5 Complete Warrior p82 3.5 Any statistic (including charisma), limited uses/day
Tomb Warden 3 Libris Mortis pg. 58 *?* Attack rolls, damage rolls, saving throws 10min/day
Walker in the Waste 10 Sandstorm p89 3.5 Hitpoints
Warmage 1/3/5 Dragonlance 5th *?* AC for 1/2/3 allies within 30'
Wilder XPH p29 3.5 Touch AC (cannot exceed normal AC)
Witch Hunter OA p54 3.0 Saves

FEATS
Ascetic Mage Complete Adv. p105 3.5 AC, switches Monk/Ninja bonus from Wis to Cha
Avenging Strike Tome of Battle p28 3.5 Attack and Damage vs evil foes, 1/day/cha bonus
Battledance Dragon 297 p28 3.0 EPIC FEAT: Attack, AC, and Reflex saves
Beauty's Bounty Online 1st level Hp (replaces con)
Charming the Arrow Online Hit with bow/crossbow (replaces Dex)
Divine Might Complete Warrior p106 3.5 Damage
Divine Might, Epic Online 3.0 Damage
Divine Shield Complete Warrior p106 3.5 AC
Force of Personality Complete Adv. p109 3.5 Willpower saves (instead of Wisdom)
Mantle of Freedom Dungeon #104 3.5 Grapple, Escape Artist and Str to break bonds (+ other bonuses)
Smite Fiert Foe Frostburn p50 3.5 Cha to hit (smite attack)
Snowflake Wardance Frostburn p50 3.5 Hit
Spiritual Force Races of Eberron p113 3.5 Damage, req. Kalashtar
Unnatural Will Heroes of Horror 9124 3.5 Will saves vs fear

EQUIPMENT
Bow of Song Magic Item Comp 3.5 p48 Hit and Damage (req. Bardic music)
Gauntlets of Heartfelt Blows Dragon #314 Damage
Hexband Magic Item Comp p122 Cha to Damage, 5 rounds/day if target suffers Hexblade curse
Larethian Protector Arms & Equipment p112 Chaxd6 Damage, uses a turn attempt
Slippers of Battledancing DMG II p272 3.5 Attack and damage, must move 10'
OTHER
Halfling Domain PGtF p87 3.5 Climb, Jump, Move Silently & Hide for 10 minutes/day
Mysticism Domain Complete Divine p140 Luck to saves for 1 round per day per level (both good and evil versions)
Ritual of Blood Players Guide to Eberron Hit Points (one time bonus, suffer -2 con)
Unholy Toughness MM III Hit Points (also in Libris Mortis, Sandstorm and most books with new undead from now on, probably)

SPELLS/POWERS/OTHER
Ruin Delver's Fortune Spell Compendium p178 3.5 One save
Sirine's Grace Spell Compendium p191 3.5 AC
Thunder Lance Spell Compendium p220 3.5 Attack and Damage with Lance
Undersong Spell Compendium *?* 3.5 Concentration checks (uses a perform check instead)
Whirling Blade Complete Arcane p129 3.5 Attack & Damage

Other

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CLASSES
Tainted Scholar Heroes of Horror p114 Bonus spells from Depravity, Spell saves from corruption
Void Disciple 10 Complete Divine p72 3.5 Replace one ability mod. with another for a short time
Shiba Protector 10 OA p222 3.0 Replace one ability mod. with highest for one check

Please post any and all additions and corrections, including 3.0, Pathfinder, homebrew work, setting specific books, 3rd party, magazines, etc. (I find that DMs are far more likely to allow X to Y abilities from almost any source, as it often fixes otherwise weak builds). When you post, please cite all relevant information if you can:

Name, Source pg #, Edition (3.0, 3.5, Pathfinder, homebrew, etc), Bonus

Also feel free to debate the relevant cost vs benefit of investing in X to Y abilities, or bonuses in general.

Man, I completely forgot about that thread. Whoops.

[FMArthur]

Feats and Classes aren't separated in your Dexterity list.

[Fiery Diamond]

Actually, looking at the example with the tables above and the code below, I found the tables to be much more legible. Empty space makes it easier for me to parse.

[Person_Man]

UPDATE: Massive reformat, let me know what you think.

Also, does anyone have any content to add? I'm really surprised that with all the new Pathfinder and homebrew work out there, there's no additions to the list.

[Myou]

OK, what do people think of this format?

Excellent! Thanks for taking the time to apply such good formatting!

I'd suggest a seperate list for homebrew/pathfinder though, since most people don't use any given homebrew/PF.

[DragoonWraith]

Dead Eye only works with ranged weapons (in which you have Weapon Focus), and only as a point-blank shot. The ranged weapon limitation, at least, should be noted.

[Ernir]

Post to mark my gratitude. Superb initiative.


(Also [really, this is not why I posted], since DragoonWraith mentioned Dead Eye - both "Dragon Comp" and "Errata" are misspleled in that line.)

[FMArthur]

The Alternate Class Features from Drow of the Underdark are not substitution levels, or even exclusive to drow, despite some of their names. And the actual ACF name is Hit-and-Run Tactics, not Drow Fighter.