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    Ogre in the Playground
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    Default Blind(sighted) as a bat?

    I was thinking about a trick for a wizard with a bat familiar: cast Obscuring Mist or Darkness or something similar to mess up vision, and send your bat to deliver touch spells.

    So, I looked up bat in the SRD. In D&D 3.5, the bat is listed as having blindsense, rather than blindsight. Blindsense means they still have a 50% miss chance when they attack.

    This doesn't seem right to me. I remember seeing footage of a bat plucking a spider off a web without breaking the web or getting stuck.
    I looked up echolocation and saw some scholarly papers that reckon bats can range-find with +/- 0.7mm accuracy.

    With that in mind, is it too much to give bats (or at least, the microbats, rather than the keen-eyed fruitbats) blindsight instead of blindsense?

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    Troll in the Playground
     
    RogueGuy

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    Default Re: Blind(sighted) as a bat?

    Seeing as how that would also give Blindsight to the already-good Bat Swarm, yes, it would be too much.

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    Default Re: Blind(sighted) as a bat?

    Agreed with Ozgun.

    If you'e the GM, it might be a fun thing to do for a single bat if you raise the wizard's CR to compensate.

    If you are a PC, ask your GM if you can replace one of the bat's feats with Blind Fight. This will effectively reduce the miss chance to 25%. That would mean your bat is far more likely to land a hit than anyone else is inside of that Obscuring Mist.
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    Default Re: Blind(sighted) as a bat?

    I am a personal fan of realism over balance so I'd approve.
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