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2009-09-24, 10:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
This is quite a crazy question but here goes. The 8th lvl Malconvoker ability increases the HD for planar binding (as well as the lesser and greater versions) by 2. This means that greater planar binding can now be used to call an outsider with 20 HD. Since the monk's capstone ability means he is now an outsider for the purposes of spells and effects.
Does this mean that you could actually use Greater Planar Binding to bind level 20 monks? (As if monks needed even more problems)
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2009-09-24, 10:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
I'd say yes, if you knew the specific individual you wanted, he resided on a different plane (since native outsiders probably can't be bound), and the DM agreed. You could also bind a level 20 tiefling wizard, for example.
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2009-09-24, 10:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
To further prove how much monks suck...a caster can SUMMON one...and with the correct wording bind it forever...
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2009-09-25, 12:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
worse than that... a monk of level 20 is an outsider, immune to negative effects of aging, except death, he still dies when his time is up...
Why is that so bad? because outsiders can NOT be resurrected... so as a level 20 ability the monk becomes:
1. Summonable
2. Bindable
3. Immune to resurrection
4. Immune to physical attribute decay from aging.
5. immune to spells that age the character (AFAIK, there are none)
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2009-09-25, 12:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-09-25, 12:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
Well they are not actually an outsider as I recall. A level twenty monk is just treated as an outsider for spells and magical effects. So while this would normally preclude raising from the dead there is a clause that allows them to be treated as their original type for the purposes of such magic. Though planar binding is a spell and so they would still be vulnerable to that.
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2009-09-25, 12:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
I have to try binding a level 20 monk if I ever get a group together.
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2009-09-25, 12:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
Last edited by taltamir; 2009-09-25 at 01:05 AM.
I do not have a superman complex; for I am God, not Superman!
the glass is always 100% full. Approximately 50% of its volume is full of dihydrogen monoxide and some dissolved solutes, and approx 50% a mixture of gasses known as "air" which contains roughly (by volume) 78.08% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.038% carbon dioxide, and trace amounts of other gases.
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2009-09-25, 01:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-09-25, 01:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
if you summoned a monk instead of, say, a balor. Then they are correctly estimating your intelligence. ;p
But it would make for a hillarious miscast... "ok, you try to use the summon scroll, and you roll... ouch, miscast... lets see... you summon a monk, oh, that protection from evil isn't gonna work since he is not evil..."I do not have a superman complex; for I am God, not Superman!
the glass is always 100% full. Approximately 50% of its volume is full of dihydrogen monoxide and some dissolved solutes, and approx 50% a mixture of gasses known as "air" which contains roughly (by volume) 78.08% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.038% carbon dioxide, and trace amounts of other gases.
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2009-09-25, 01:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-09-25, 01:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
You know? I think the evidence is piling up that monks are supposed to be monsters, not player characters. They're bad at offense but good at not dying (leading to long, interesting fights), have highly situational abilities (so the DM can always put them somewhere where their abilities help), have a cool-sounding but mechanically ineffective combat style (punching people with swords in the face)... and now, you can summon them just like outsiders.
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2009-09-25, 01:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
For the record, you don't need to be a Malconvoker to pull this off. Infernal Bargainer is a Feat in Races of Faerûn that does the same thing as Improved Calling. The two stack, too, but I don't think there are any 22 HD Fiends out there for you to access with it (though there are fiends that you could bind with regular or lesser PB instead of the next higher one if you have both).
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2009-09-25, 02:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
I do not have a superman complex; for I am God, not Superman!
the glass is always 100% full. Approximately 50% of its volume is full of dihydrogen monoxide and some dissolved solutes, and approx 50% a mixture of gasses known as "air" which contains roughly (by volume) 78.08% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.038% carbon dioxide, and trace amounts of other gases.
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2009-09-25, 02:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
Last edited by Gnorman; 2009-09-25 at 02:52 AM.
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2009-09-25, 07:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-09-25, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
Nobody can be ressurected from dying of old age.
I'd watch out about giving the level 20 Monk lycanthropy - it grants HD.
And one more nifty Outsider trick, like the others, for not only monks but tieflings and aasimar - Reincarnate would reincarnate an Outsider as another type of Outsider - so why decide between the party Monk and a Balor, when you can make the party monk into a Balor?
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2009-09-25, 08:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
Last edited by The Mentalist; 2009-09-25 at 08:37 AM.
Having trouble writing up hard stat blocks but I'm doing a lot of sharing ideas and soft mechanics lately.
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2009-09-25, 08:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-09-25, 08:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
A capstoned monk loses the ability to be hit by enlarge person, Monks LOSE options at the capstone.
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2009-09-25, 08:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
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2009-09-25, 08:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
Ahhh... that's a neat trick.
Having trouble writing up hard stat blocks but I'm doing a lot of sharing ideas and soft mechanics lately.
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2009-09-25, 09:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
What's the biggest Level Adjustment we can give our Monk without giving him Hit Dice?
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2009-09-25, 09:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
Half-Dragon Half-Fiend half-ect?
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2009-09-25, 09:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
Lich turns all his HD to d12's and has a +4 LA, Demilich doesn't seem to adjust either of those.
(I'm restricted to core for the time being, looking up random things I remember to be templates.)
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2009-09-25, 09:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
A level 20 monk, a malconvoker, and a living spell of greater planar binding walk into a bar.
I haven't got much more than that. Any ideas?
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2009-09-25, 09:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A level 20 Monk, a Malconvoker, and Greater Planar Binding
What would happen if you used, instead of Reincarnate, the 'Revivify' version of Reincarnate from Spell Compedium, which reincarnates them without level loss but must be used within one round?
They are changed into a normal outsider. Would their class feature then maintain their native status? Or is it that it changes them just at the moment, so they would need to go down to level 19 Monk and then up again to 20 to become outsider (native) again?
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2009-09-25, 09:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-09-25, 09:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-09-25, 09:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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