Broken Gestalt Caster

[Mooch]

I am going to be starting a gestalt campaign with most likely 3 players and our DM plays as a DM vs PCs attitude. Any books or dragon material, any setting and 3rd party are allowed, any cheese excepting extreme level (see Pun-Pun) is fine, breaking action economy is the only way we have lived in past campaigns.

It is being house ruled to allow double prestige classes and any templates or races are fair game, I would think we would be starting around level 3-5.

Basically I am looking to play god so I was thinking something along the lines of Focused Conjurer 3/MS 5/incantrix 10/Archmage 2//Psion ? but I am not sure where else to go, I need to be very versatile as the DM likes to make up new creatures that do not fit normal strategies.

Few thoughts if i had incantrix 10 and dwemokeeper 10 on each side would the metamagic reducers stack on all spells? I believe it does by RAW but I may be mistaken.

As for templates if i use the psion after I got schism I was thinking of grabbing vecna-blooded and then finishing off lvl 20 as a lich so if this goes epic I could grab demilich.

For strategies I am planning on eventually making my own demiplane and astral projecting out but earlier just alter self and polymorph to protect myself

Finally we either end up with mountains of cash or hardly anything it depends on the campaign/DMs mood so as little reliance on gear as possible just in case

Any builds, ideas, comments? Please state the source the materials as I will need to show the DM.

[Pharaoh's Fist]

I think you can use Psion to get infinite actions per round with Temporal Acceleration and Schism.

[taltamir]

wizard/psion or wizard/cleric?

The ultimate game breakage is magic.. the more magic you have, the more you can break the game :)

Level 21 = epic spells game breakage.
You do not need to be pun pun to have "arbitrarily high scores". Any 21st level caster can. You see, epic spells utterly suck, as in they cannot even come close to competing with non epic spells... that is, until you look at the built in "mitigation" scheme... even the most clueless fool can see at least 3 completely broken mitigation mechanics that will allow you to easily abuse them for infinite mitigation (and as such, allowing you to make infinite DC spells DC0 spells, which cost 1 day, 0 gp and 0 xp to research). infinite DC spells give you infinite scores, AC, etc etc etc.

[AmberVael]

Double classes allowed?
OMNICASTER.
Hells yeah.

[Lycanthromancer]

You could always go focused specialist conjuration wizard/egoist/cerebremancer with early-entry shenanigans, and take factotum on your other side. You can get the really powerful wizard spells, the extra action economy afforded by psionics, and the massive boosts to various checks (such as saves) and extra standard actions via factotum.

...And you run 99.999% off of Int!

Grab Linked Power (from CPsi) and a swift-action power, then use your swifts to nab some buffage (metamorphosis is considerably better than polymorph), use your inspiration points for passive buffing, and voila.

Now we just need to find a way to get you some extra feats for Font of Inspiration.

[taltamir]

Double classes allowed?
OMNICASTER.
Hells yeah.

that is awesome.

[Mooch]

Double classes allowed?
OMNICASTER.
Hells yeah.

oh my ...
I don't even think I would know where to start playing that character

what other races besides human has a bonus feat at first level?
I believe we are using magic-psionics transparency which I think the DM will allow meta feats to cross, I will have to double check

[Godskook]

If you plan on playing epic and broken is ok, I think that having 9th level divine and arcane spells is required(because 3x the epic spells is not a bad thing:) ), and quite possibly psionics too. If you're DM is ok with hybrids, does he allow more than one prestige class at once?

[AmberVael]

I can't believe I just seriously got to recommend Omnicaster.
My life is complete.

But yeah, to start Omnicaster, you will require a new notebook, solely for this character. That's where to start.

[Mooch]

If you plan on playing epic and broken is ok, I think that having 9th level divine and arcane spells is required(because 3x the epic spells is not a bad thing:) ), and quite possibly psionics too. If you're DM is ok with hybrids, does he allow more than one prestige class at once?

yes multiple prestige classes at the same time would be allowed

[taltamir]

actually, extra epic spell slots are not all that useful... the mitigation means casting takes a while (up to 100 days) and you have hordes of helpers with you contributing spells...

And hen you have arbitrarily high scores, your spells still deal normal damage only with unresistable DC (non epic), while you could also just hit people with a weapon for arbitrarily high damage (while protected by your arbitrarily high AC)...

naturally that is all just a waste of your time... use ice assassin to clone a divinity 20+ deity and make it make you a deity of divinity 20+... then use ice assassin to make an army of over deities.

[Magnor Criol]

Dude, if you actually play the Omnicaster - and don't have an aneurysm from trying to keep track of everything - please tell us how that goes. I'm really interested.

Also, if you play Omnicaster, be prepared for your turns to take fifteen times longer than anyone else's. =p

Strongheart Halflings (Forgotten Realms setting) have the same traits as halflings, plus the human bonus feat, minus the +1 bonus to all saves. They're a really strong race, and stand a good chance of being really good for a caster - you don't care about Str much, and the extra Dex can help with ranged attack rolls, as will the small size bonuses. Also, extra feat yayz.

[Grumman]

Hmm... Wu Jen/Warblade gish on one side, Wizard/Beguiler Ultimate Magus on the other?

[sonofzeal]

Dear Pelor.... does your DM know what he's getting himself into?

[Kylarra]

oh my ...
I don't even think I would know where to start playing that character

what other races besides human has a bonus feat at first level?
I believe we are using magic-psionics transparency which I think the DM will allow meta feats to cross, I will have to double check

strongheart halfling does.

[Mooch]

I dont think the DM knows whats going to happen but we have had some rather crazy campaigns in the past, if we do something broken he just amps up the monsters, he has had no problem throwing 5 CR 80s and hoards(roughly 1000) of CR 15-18s against our 5 player ECL 24s last time we were epic

The problem with playing the omnicaster is that I am only familier with divine, psionics and arcane casting the others I would be lost on. Also does anyone know or have made spell sheets that would be worthwhile to help with this character

as for epic I will cross that bridge when I get to it, if I get to it

[ShneekeyTheLost]

I dont think the DM knows whats going to happen but we have had some rather crazy campaigns in the past, if we do something broken he just amps up the monsters, he has had no problem throwing 5 CR 80s and hoards(roughly 1000) of CR 15-18s against our 5 player ECL 24s last time we were epic

The problem with playing the omnicaster is that I am only familier with divine, psionics and arcane casting the others I would be lost on. Also does anyone know or have made spell sheets that would be worthwhile to help with this character

as for epic I will cross that bridge when I get to it, if I get to it

Yes, grab Leadership as a feat. Make sure *ALL* of your followers are Sorcerers. Then they all get to donate a 1st level spell to your epic spells to drastically mitigate the DC's.

Failing that, Titan Chain to get an infinite number of Titans to all donate a 9th level spell for several orders of magnitude more DC mitigation.

[Lycanthromancer]

You might not want to go with the Omnicaster, given its incredible complexity. My suggestion (see above) will give you a ton of flexibility and usefulness. However, you may want to skive out on Enchantment and go Telepath or something. Really, let psionics cover for any schools you drop, and hit the action economy hard with psionics and factotum.

Remember, the key to gestalt is having one passive class and one active class. My way, you get two simultaneously active classes and one passive class...and they all make each other stronger.

[ShneekeyTheLost]

You might not want to go with the Omnicaster, given its incredible complexity. My suggestion (see above) will give you a ton of flexibility and usefulness. However, you may want to skive out on Enchantment and go Telepath or something. Really, let psionics cover for any schools you drop, and hit the action economy hard with psionics and factotum.

Remember, the key to gestalt is having one passive class and one active class. My way, you get two simultaneously active classes and one passive class...and they all make each other stronger.

I second this, if dual-progression classes are allowed. Ban Evocation and Enchantment, then go Telepath. Get Greater Evocation for all your Forcecage/Contingency needs.

[Cyclocone]

oh my ...
I don't even think I would know where to start playing that character

what other races besides human has a bonus feat at first level?
I believe we are using magic-psionics transparency which I think the DM will allow meta feats to cross, I will have to double check

Azurin (MoI) and Silverbrow Human (DraMa), although both are technically human.
Azurin gain one point of essentia (handy for incarnum feats such as Midnight Augumentation), and Sillybrow lose the bonus skill point and gain 'dragonblood' subtype (handy for metamagic abuse).


I support the idea of psion//wizard, and since Dragon material is allowed, i'd recomend you take a look in Dragon #349, as it has a bunch of rather powerfull psi-spell feats.

[Foryn Gilnith]

Would White Dragonspawn Kobold (w/ Greater Rite of Passage) Loredrake [or whatever that +4 CL combo was] be worth considering?

[tarbrush]

Ye gods, there must be a way to dragon up the omnicaster to make it even more abusive. That would be awesome

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

I'd probably go with a Hatchling Phaerimm for the race. Its one racial HD will be replaced with your first class level, and it has a level adjustment of only +2. The biggest reason to use this is because of the following:

Spells: A phaerimm casts arcane spells as a sorcerer (caster level
equals phaerimm’s Hit Dice).

Each class level grants one hit die, so each level in Sorcerer (or a prestige class that grants +1 level of sorcerer spellcasting) will actually grant two levels of spellcasting ability, one from the class and one from race. This ability is widely argued only grant spellcasting ability for racial hit dice and not those gained from class levels, but this is not mentioned or even implied anywhere in the description and in this particular game you'd probably be able to get away with it.

Use the Arcane Swordsage variant, ToB page 20 under the Adaptation heading. That gets infinite spells/day without any verbal, somatic, or material components as either extraordinary or supernatural martial maneuvers, limited only by your number of actions/day. Swordsage 20 should definitely be one side of your gestalt progression. Get the spell Heroics as one of your maneuvers, along with the feat Adaptive Style. Initiate Heroics to grant yourself the feat Martial Study, pick any arcane spell you want and learn it as a maneuver, use adaptive style to ready that and initiate it. This works with any buffing spell that appears on any arcane spell list, and is particularly good for spells with hours/level or 24 hour durations, such as the Heart Of line of spells in Complete Mage. For only one 2nd level maneuver known you can always have the highest level long-duration buffs on yourself, as extraordinary or supernatural maneuvers that can never be dispelled or otherwise removed. Another must-have maneuver to get with an arcane swordsage would be Ruby Ray of Reversal, which with no verbal or somatic components and no material focus can solve just about any obstacle you would ever run into.

That makes for an Arcane Swordsage 20 who also gets 20th level Sorcerer spellcasting, without even touching the other side of the gestalt progression apart from the +2 LA. Throw on whatever else you'd want, I'd probably go for Cleric/Dweomerkeeper with DMM: Persistent and Southern Magician, use Initiate of Mystra with Persistent Antimagic Field, along with whatever other buffs you think you'll need (Arcane Spellsurge). Also consider the feat Quick Recovery from Lords of Madness for Celerity abuse.

Edit:
Take Leadership and get a Fiend of Possession Psion as your cohort, with Persistent Power (from the d20 modern SRD). A +0 LA Tiefling with the Ritual of Association in Savage Species to gain the evil subtype is probably your best choice for that. Have it always possessing your character, it can grant you a constant +4 Profane bonus to all of your ability scores, and any personal-range buffs it uses will target the creature it's possessing.

[Mooch]

The white dragon spawn, loredrake only increases sorceror spellcasting if I remember correctly.

I will have to take a look at the arcane swordsage, and that race sounds ridiculous, I think I could get LA buy-off with it as well. Is it worth staying swordsage 20 or should I PRC out at some point?

Where is ruby ray of reversal from, I don't recognize that spell?

Edit: Would the hatchlings stat adjustments be -6str +6dex +2wis +2cha?
Edit2: for the wizard/psion/cerebremancer//factorum what would be taken on the wizard/psion side after cerebremancer it only gets you to level 18(without precocious apprentice)?

[Lycanthromancer]

You wouldn't have any more cerebremancer to take until you hit level 21, so figure out which side is more powerful into high levels (hint: it's wizard) or ask your DM if you can either extend cerebremancer a bit (since it's obvious what you'd get for the entire progression) or adapt something like ultimate magus to advance psionics (not that hard)

[Cyclocone]

ask your DM if you can either extend cerebremancer a bit

There's the Mind Mage from Dragon #313. Obviously 3.0, but it shouldn't be too hard to adapt (If your Dm lets you. It's pretty broken)

[Nohwl]

Spells: A phaerimm casts arcane spells as a sorcerer (caster level
equals phaerimm’s Hit Dice).

are those spells or spell like abilities?

[Mooch]

are those spells or spell like abilities?

spell-like ability

[Korivan]

I've never tried Wizard/psion, but I have tried Wizard/Factotum, and that was nice. Its a nice boost to BAB, initiative, another save, hitdice, an ability to ignore SR, and the surge is REALLY nice to pop off more high level spells. Throw out the Factotums casting, 1d6 sneak attack, and the healing if you don't want it, and grab some Fonts of Inspiration. Thats if your DM lets you replace class features with feats. Add a Belt of Battle, Quicken Spell, and watch as people cringe as you fracture the action economy.

The methed I used was Factotum 20/Generalist (Didn't know about Focused Specialist yet)Wizard 5-Incantrix 10 (not the one from Magic of Ferun) and Archmage5 (Reach, elements, SLA, Shaping, Spell powerx2). I ditched the scribe scroll and familer for the ability to not need a spell book (dragon magazine 357), grabbed Invisible, Quicken, Extend, Twin Spell (a couple more maybe, don't remember all of them), I had the unfair advantage of getting some special training for a couple more feats. Took Eschew Materials and Arcane Thesis for Extract Water Elemental, Enervation, one of the Orbs.

Thats about the most brokenish character I made.

[PhoenixRivers]

Hm.

Sorceror 15 / Incantatrix 5
Ardent 5 / Ur priest 10 / Ardent 6-10

With Practiced Manifester by level 15, you'll finish out with:

Divine Casting: 9th level spells (CL 20)
Arcane Casting: 9th level spells (CL 20)
Psionics: 7th level powers (ML 14)

7th level Psion will get you Anticipatory Strike, which Breaks action economy.
Sorceror gets you Arcane Fusion, which Breaks action economy.

You're a bit MAD (Cha and Wis), but it's not bad stuff.

Wizard / Psion is strong outside of gestalt, where Cerebremancer is allowed. If you can afford the MAD, Wizard / Ardent is better.