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    I've been wondering about something for a while, but only came across it again a bit ago; Has there been any speculation about the different lights that come on? The one's where Agatha has proven that she's got the command voice and she's a heterodyne?
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    1. Spark
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    3. Music

    The Heterodynes are a musical family, after all.

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    Speaking of which, the other day I had an idea about the Heterodynes. What if, unlike most sparks who make giant war machines or abominations of science, the Heterodynes made Music? Thus, their crowning glory is not the Jagers or the Castle, but their music that gives them the spark they need to do whatever they want! Their library probably contains more on the spark than the baron could compile in a hundred lifetimes. Then again, their library also contains more on giant spiders than the baron could compile in a thousand lifetimes, so my point is doubly moot.

    I wonder if they actually designed Mechanicsburg as a giant maze, but got bored and started knocking out walls.
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    Love The Court Jester reference
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    Has Agatha unleashed an irrevocable change to Sparky society by allowing her minion to actually contribute suggestions?
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    "Is a stack of ten pancakes too many pancakes to give to the party, even if most of them fell on the floor and one or two were stepped on? I wanted to give my party pancakes as a reward but I'm unsure if it's too much. The pancakes are also laced with blowfish poison so the party would have to get an antitoxin before they could eat the ones which weren't pulverized by shoes."

    I don't think anyone would want those pancakes even if you paid them to eat them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Glyphstone View Post
    Has Agatha unleashed an irrevocable change to Sparky society by allowing her minion to actually contribute suggestions?
    Sparks don't strike me as people that 1) subscribe to a "society" and 2) care about traditions they didn't start themselves.

    So, no. Thankfully. Agatha's allowances will remain in strength only as long as she remains at the top of the heap - i.e. in Castle Heterodyne.

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    Oh, I do so love the Mad Social Scientist.

    I mean, Annual Brain Wipes for his minions? I guess he really is soft-hearted.
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    Silly Moloch, Spark don't do practical solutions.
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    Yea! Love the thread title!

    Ah, mad scientists, gotta love 'em. From a safe distance.

    Just going to state my general happiness with this comic and wonder if the spider powers means there's a chance of the GG world getting a spider-man.

    You know, with GG, I always wonder if I should put spoilers around jokes like that, just in case.

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    That's crazy talk.

    Beats me how he was able to disguise himself as a Spark, actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracklord View Post
    That's crazy talk.

    Beats me how he was able to disguise himself as a Spark, actually.
    They were in the process of testing him when everything went balls up. They would have found out eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracklord View Post
    Beats me how he was able to disguise himself as a Spark, actually.
    That's because he didn't do a very good job of fooling people.

    Even Klaus, who had next to no interactions with Moloch, had his doubts.

    It was only because Moloch was working with a geniune Spark (albiet one slowly breaking through) that he was able to fool people as long as he did. Well that, and the fact that Agatha's First Clank made quite the impression on Klaus. Which bought Moloch some much needed time to try to figure out what to do. Sadly he really never came up with an answer to his prediciment.
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    Moloch, Moloch, Moloch.
    Watch your language around these people!

    And yes, the social scientist is a big softie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellen View Post
    Yea! Love the thread title!
    Would it be possible for you to explain it to those of us less linguistically gifted (and really bad at puns)?

    Kestle I get, it's the written germanic accent for 'castle', but the pestle bit confuses me.

    A pestle is the blunt instrument used for grinding things (used with a mortar), however since castle is written with the accent, that would indicate pestle is as well (pastle?).

    A pastille is some sort of soft flavoured/medicated lozenge, unless it's pastel, which means it's a stick of soft chalk used for drawing, but what do either of these things have to do with Castle Heterodyne?

    My brain hurts...
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    Girl or not, heir or not, if you are a spark then I need you. Only you could possibly fix me. Because there certainly aren't upwards of half a dozen sparks already running around inside the castle.

    I know sparks are fun to write for.. but this doesn't make that much sense. There are a large number of sparks inside the castle. That has probably been the situation for years. They haven't even gotten close to fixing the Castle. They haven't been very successful at achieving freedom. Why would the Baron even send them to the Castle? Isn't he in the middle of a series of horrifying experiments on those with the Spark, needing a constant supply of expendable sparks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Oni View Post
    Would it be possible for you to explain it to those of us less linguistically gifted (and really bad at puns)?

    Kestle I get, it's the written it the written germanic accent for 'castle', but the pestle bit confuses me.

    A pestle is the blunt instrument used for grinding things (used with a mortar), however since castle is written with the accent, that would indicate pestle is as well (pastle?).

    A pastille is some sort of soft flavoured/medicated lozenge, unless it's pastel, which means it's a stick of soft chalk used for drawing, but what do either of these things have to do with Castle Heterodyne?

    My brain hurts...
    I do believe it's a referance to this memorable scene from an old comedy.
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    Girl or not, heir or not, if you are a spark then I need you. Only you could possibly fix me. Because there certainly aren't upwards of half a dozen sparks already running around inside the castle.

    I know sparks are fun to write for.. but this doesn't make that much sense. There are a large number of sparks inside the castle. That has probably been the situation for years. They haven't even gotten close to fixing the Castle. They haven't been very successful at achieving freedom. Why would the Baron even send them to the Castle? Isn't he in the middle of a series of horrifying experiments on those with the Spark, needing a constant supply of expendable sparks?
    Those are all minor sparks, Klaus would newer put a major spark into the Castle, since there is a decent chance they could break out again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selrahc View Post
    Girl or not, heir or not, if you are a spark then I need you. Only you could possibly fix me. Because there certainly aren't upwards of half a dozen sparks already running around inside the castle.

    I know sparks are fun to write for.. but this doesn't make that much sense. There are a large number of sparks inside the castle. That has probably been the situation for years. They haven't even gotten close to fixing the Castle. They haven't been very successful at achieving freedom. Why would the Baron even send them to the Castle? Isn't he in the middle of a series of horrifying experiments on those with the Spark, needing a constant supply of expendable sparks?
    They're minor sparks, what do you expect; hell this latest update should show just what kind of crap could hold them back from finishing der Kestle

    As for why Klaus isn't using them in his experiments, it is possible that part of his deal with Der Kestle was to maintain a certain "spark" quota as they are better at repairs...

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    The part of the castle that said that to Agatha is also, in its own opinion, the main part of the original system, cut off from the other parts by damage and unable to communicate with the rest of the systems. It wants Agatha to fix a specific issue that it hasn't been able to tell any of the other sparks about, because they've never made it to the library (or don't seem to have at any rate) where it can talk to them.
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    Klaus is probably smart enough to realize that by putting particularly nutty mild sparks in the Kestle he's hindering rather than helping the repair process. The kind of spark that would be useful to the castle is rather special, almost unique.

    He/She would have to be relatively sane, so they could be reasoned with and understand what needed to be done.

    They'd have to be pretty sparky to understand how the castle works and what needs to be done to fix it.

    They'd have to stay focused, so they'd actually fix something rather than, say, turn it into a maze for orphans.

    They'd have to want to help, rather than serve their own self interests.

    Also Klaus probably has specific things he's looking for in the sparks he's experimenting on, not just any run-of-the-mill sparky loon will do.
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    Moloch continues to be among my favorite characters in the comic.
    Heh! Yeah, he may only be a mechanic, but he can hold his own against the average madboy.

    Or at least know when to run like hell... :D

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    Also recall that there are not a lot of sparks like Agatha, Gil, or Klaus in the world. Consider the scale that I think DnD used for levels of wizard. IE-For every 9th level wizard in the world, there are 9 of 8th level, and for each of them 9 of 7th level and so on.

    Even if we only figure Agatha for a 4th level Spark (interchangeable with wizarding, as Agatha so elequently said on this page.
    http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20081205)

    Thats 9*9*9*9 = 6561 1st Level Sparks in the world, and even that is a lot. Even if we change the scale to 5 instead of 9, thats 625 1st Level sparks for every one of Agatha's Calibre. If the rareness index is only 3, that would be 81 1st Level Sparks for every Agatha, Gil, or Klaus, or Tarvek in the world, assuming that those 4 are all of equal skill.
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    I don't think Tarvek is on the same level as Agatha, Gil and Klaus. Tarvek is clearly good (as demonstrated by his "sister"), but I don't think he can pull of the stuff the others can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Demiurge View Post
    Heh! Yeah, he may only be a mechanic, but he can hold his own against the average madboy.

    Or at least know when to run like hell... :D
    I must say, he did think of murdering Agatha for almost no reason, when on Castle Wulfenbach.

    And he didn't try and stop his brother when he beat up a women who just happened to be passing.

    Not particularly sympathetic if you ask me...

    Quote Originally Posted by HandofShadows View Post
    I don't think Tarvek is on the same level as Agatha, Gil and Klaus. Tarvek is clearly good (as demonstrated by his "sister"), but I don't think he can pull of the stuff the others can.
    Klaus is boss, so he's probably on Hetrodyne level. After all, the female lead is never caught up in a love triangle with the bumbling sidekick. I'd say he was just content to let others lead,given that he seems to have incredible levels of humility. (I mean, look how he is portrayed in literature. Do you see a cult of personality?)
    He doesn't care who does the job, as long as it gets done.
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