Question about Faerun deities [3.5]

[AtopTheMountain]

In almost every D&D setting, there is a steriotypical (did i spell that right?) Lawful Good god/goddess of Honor, Chivalry, etc. for example, Heironeous in the original 3.5. My question is this: In the 3.5 version of Forgotten Realms, what is/are the main deities that have this basic theme?

[dragonfan6490]

Helm, IIRC would be the FR equivalent to Heironeous.

[arguskos]

Tyr is the LG god of justice. Torm is the LG god of paladins. Helm is the LN god of watchers and protectors.

[Cedrass]

I think Torm is the guy you're looking for.

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Torm

[Set]

In almost every D&D setting, there is a steriotypical (did i spell that right?) Lawful Good god/goddess of Honor, Chivalry, etc. for example, Heironeous in the original 3.5. My question is this: In the 3.5 version of Forgotten Realms, what is/are the main deities that have this basic theme?

Torm is the most perfect fit.

Bane would most fit Hextor (or his son Xvim, perhaps even more so), although Torm and Bane don't have the same sibling relationship that Heironeous and Hextor share.

Tyr is a justice god, but would, in Greyhawk terms, be kind of like a synthesis of Heironeous and Rao, while Helm is right out, being non-good and not at all chivalrous, being perhaps a little more St. Cuthbert-y.

[Golden-Esque]

Dude, the most important question of all has gone unanswered!

(did i spell that right?)

Since you asked, the proper spelling is "stereotypical" :).

[hamishspence]

Tyr is a justice god, but would, in Greyhawk terms, be kind of like a synthesis of Heironeous and Rao, while Helm is right out, being non-good and not at all chivalrous, being perhaps a little more St. Cuthbert-y.

I saw Tyr as a little more "St Cuthbert-y" since (at least in the Dragon articles on St Cuthbert), he has very strong good tendencies, even if he is close to the borderline, and he is focussed very heavily on justice.

I think Pholtus might be closer to Helm- justice without mercy.

Helm is often described as "heartless": he is more LN without any Good tendencies, than St Cuthbert is.

So- Tyr and Torm are both fairly close to the "justice-loving paladin god" archetype, but Tyr is a bit more "Judge" and Torm a bit more "Adventuring Hero"

[AslanCross]

I'd think the more correct term here would be archetypal rather than stereotypical, actually.

Torm is the closest to Heironeous in terms of valor in combat---he did sacrifice himself once to destroy Bane's avatar during the Time of Troubles.

On the other hand, Tyr also died fighting off a demonic invasion in the transition to 4E, but many people believe that never happened, along with his whole "Tyr Loves Tymora" arc.

[Navigator]

As per Forgotten Realms Campaign Settings (pg. 9), Heironeous converts to Tyr or Helm.

[bosssmiley]

Tyr is the LG god of justice. Torm is the LG god of paladins. Helm is the LN god of watchers and protectors.

And not even their own worshippers can tell them apart.

[Dixieboy]

And not even their own worshippers can tell them apart.

Torm and Helm that is, mostly because both of their symbols is a gauntlet.

They are also all part of that "Holy trinity" thing they and ilmater (I believe) have going.

[Thrice Dead Cat]

Torm and Helm that is, mostly because both of their symbols is a gauntlet.

They are also all part of that "Holy trinity" thing they and ilmater (I believe) have going.

The holy trinity is actually Tyr, Torm, and Ilmater, with I think Helm or Lathander coming in every now and then giving aid.

My vote would have to go for Torm for being the closest to Heironeous, though.

[hamishspence]

As per Forgotten Realms Campaign Settings (pg. 9), Heironeous converts to Tyr or Helm.

Incorrect:

The full list from page 9:
Boccob- Azuth, Mystra, Savras, Velsharoon
Corellon- no change
Ehlonna- Mielikki
Erythnul- Cyric, Garagos, Malar
Fhalrlangan- Selune, Shaundakul
Garl Glittergold- no change
Gruumsh- no change
Heironeous- Torm, Tyr
Hextor- Bane, Loviatar
Kord- Lathlander, Tempus, Uthgar
Moradin- no change
Nerull- Cyric, Malar, Talona
Obad-Hai- Silvanus
Olidammara- Oghma, Sune, Tymora
Pelor- Ilmater, Lathlander, Torm
St Cuthbert- Helm, Hoar, Tyr
Vecna- Shar, Velsharoon
Wee Jas- Azuth, Kelemvor
Yondalla- no change


Heironeous actually converts to Torm or Tyr, and since the only other option for Torm is Pelor (who far more closely fits Lathlander) Heironeous is the closest parallel.

Also- over a period, several Greyhawk deities have been released that fit some of the slightly iffy ones better.

Ilmatar- Phieran (BoED)
Sune- Lastai (BoED)
Loviatar- Scahrossar (BoVD)
Malar- Karaan (BoVD)

There are probably other examples of closer matches than the ones given in FRCS.

[Dixieboy]

The holy trinity is actually Tyr, Torm, and Ilmater, with I think Helm or Lathander coming in every now and then giving aid.

My vote would have to go for Torm for being the closest to Heironeous, though.

Helm is dead, torm took his place in the trinity.

[AslanCross]

Helm is dead, torm took his place in the trinity.

Helm was never part of the Triad. The Triad was Tyr, Ilmater and Torm.
Tyr killed Helm, Ilmater left in disgust, and Tyr was eventually killed. Torm took Tyr's place.

[Dixieboy]

Gah, half right.

Helm still resided in the house of the triad though, so you can't blame me for the mistake.

[AslanCross]

Indeed, I can't blame anyone for confusion regarding similar deities in FR. They have like what, three gods of war who exist at the same time?

[Dixieboy]

I count Magluybet, Tempus, Garagos and Ilneval as Deities with "War" in their portfolio. (Even though Ao is supposed to stop any duplicates)
Then there's the gods of conquest, defense, retaliation, tactics, crusades, bloodlust, warriors and so on.

[Keld Denar]

Greyhawk actually has a few redundant dieties as well, if you start delving into the various races of humans (Oeridian, Suel, Baklunish, Flan, Touv, etc).

I mean, Pelor may be the main core sun diety, but there is also Annam, Atroa, Azor'alq, Ehlonna, Hiatea, Iallanis, Lydia, Nola, Pholtus, Phyton, Skerrit, Stronmaus, and Tezcatlipoca.

So yea...3 gods of war is nothing...

[Dixieboy]

Those are just the ones with the sun "domain".

There are 21 deities in Faerun with the war "domain".

[AslanCross]

I count Magluybet, Tempus, Garagos and Ilneval as Deities with "War" in their portfolio. (Even though Ao is supposed to stop any duplicates)
Then there's the gods of conquest, defense, retaliation, tactics, crusades, bloodlust, warriors and so on.

Don't forget Red Knight, though she technically works for Tempus.

[hamishspence]

I think the rule is- one Greater Deity of X, per pantheon, but you can have lesser deities of X, and you can have racial pantheons separate from the "main pantheon"

[Raltar]

Helm was never part of the Triad. The Triad was Tyr, Ilmater and Torm.
Tyr killed Helm, Ilmater left in disgust, and Tyr was eventually killed. Torm took Tyr's place.

I don't know what the hell you are talking about. All of those gods are still alive and well. There was no spell plague. Everything is as it should be.

[Dixieboy]

I don't know what the hell you are talking about. All of those gods are still alive and well. There was no spell plague. Everything is as it should be.

Helm died before that.

@AslanCross: I very much did not forget her, she is the goddess of tactics/strategy and has the war domain, however "war" is not in her portfolio.