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Thread: Who is Pun-Pun?
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2009-10-18, 11:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Who is Pun-Pun?
Who is Pun-Pun, and what does he do?
I seriously don't know, and am in the mood for some cheese.
Outside of Pun-Pun, how do you make kobolds a decent race?
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2009-10-18, 11:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Who is Pun-Pun?
This is Pun-Pun.
By the most conservative interpretation of the rules he relies on, he can raise his stats arbitrarily high and thus be effectively invincible and capable of defeating anything.
By the most liberal interpretation, he is completely omnipotent.
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2009-10-18, 11:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Who is Pun-Pun?
It's theoretical optimization. You can't play him. At level one, he can do anything. Literally.
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2009-10-18, 11:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Who is Pun-Pun?
He fears his fate too much, and his reward is small, who will not put it to the touch, to win or lose it all.
-James Graham, 1st Marquess of Montrose
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2009-10-18, 11:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Who is Pun-Pun?
Better questions are...
Does Pun-Pun have the Buddha Nature?
Does Pun-Pun gain the Buddha Nature?
Also, saying that dragonwrought kobolds are decent is like saying that snow is sort of like frozen water. Technically true, but lacking subtleties and information in all directions. :)Last edited by Doc Roc; 2009-10-18 at 11:55 PM.
Lagren: I took Livers Need Not Apply, only reflavoured.
DocRoc: to?
Lagren: So whenever Harry wisecracks, he regains HP.
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2009-10-18, 11:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Who is Pun-Pun?
Wait. Never thought of this before, but....
Indestructible.
Immortal.
Reptilian.
Hugely important.
Divine despite a notable lack of active involvement.
Wiser than most guess.
There's a few odd similarity between our Kobold buddy, and a certain someone...Remember how I was wishing for the peace of oblivion a minute ago?
Yeah. That hasn't exactly changed with more knowledge of the situation. -Security Chief Victor Jones, formerly of the UESC Marathon.
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2009-10-19, 12:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-10-19, 12:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Who is Pun-Pun?
I think I've seen something like that around before.
Of course, this kinda works with some setting, for instance I don't believe Ao from Forgotten Realms is ever stated up, and he's considered Omnipotents. Therefore, simplest explanation is that he's Pun-Pun.He fears his fate too much, and his reward is small, who will not put it to the touch, to win or lose it all.
-James Graham, 1st Marquess of Montrose
Satomi by Elagune
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2009-10-19, 12:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-10-19, 12:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Who is Pun-Pun?
There are various RAW-busing methods to make it work earlier.
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2009-10-19, 12:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Who is Pun-Pun?
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2009-10-19, 12:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Who is Pun-Pun?
God, do we have to have a new Pun-Pun thread every two weeks? Seriously, I could set my watch by someone asking "who is he?".
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2009-10-19, 12:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Who is Pun-Pun?
Pun-Pun has evolved over time to be achieveable at lower and lower ECLs. The ECL5 one uses Divine Minion. The ECL1 one involves a rather high, but reachable Knowledge: Planes check to recognize Pazuzu, a powerful outsider with a penchance for granting wishes, especially when said wish would cause the fall of a paladin. Pun-Pun then summons Pazuzu by invoking his name 3 times and wishes for a LE Candle of Invocation with which to summon an Efreeti. The efreeti then bestows 3 wishes upon Pun-Pun, one of which is another LE Candle of Invocation, and the other 2 to start the standard Sarruhk assention scheme. Each Candle results in another Candle + 2 wishes, effectively granting Pun-Pun infinite wishes which he then uses to become a Scaled One, summon a Sarruhk, and gain the Manipulate Form ability of the Sarruhk.
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2009-10-19, 01:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-10-19, 01:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Who is Pun-Pun?
Lagren: I took Livers Need Not Apply, only reflavoured.
DocRoc: to?
Lagren: So whenever Harry wisecracks, he regains HP.
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2009-10-19, 01:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Who is Pun-Pun?
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2009-10-19, 02:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-10-19, 05:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-10-19, 06:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Who is Pun-Pun?
More importantly, why Pun-Pun? Not only Pun-Pun, but why Yik-Yik and Yuk-Yuk? Is there a joke I'm not getting about kobold names?
I use black for sarcasm.
Call me Rose, or The Rose Dragon. Rose Dragon is someone else entirely.
If you need me for something, please PM me about it. I am having difficulty keeping track of all my obligations.
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2009-10-19, 06:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-10-19, 06:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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The best answer is always to ask your DM.
Unless you're the DM, in which case you should talk to your players.
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2009-10-19, 06:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-10-19, 09:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-10-19, 10:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Who is Pun-Pun?
I am. Or more accurately, I play him in any campaign I run. In all of my games, Pun-Pun has already ascended, and will not allow anyone to do it again.
Kobolds are already a decent race. Just ask Tucker.
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2009-10-19, 10:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Who is Pun-Pun?
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2009-10-19, 01:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-10-19, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-10-19, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-10-19, 07:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Who is Pun-Pun?
I'm definitely going to name a kobold "Reginald Abraham Washington the Third" to be contrary to all those disyllabic names.
I use black for sarcasm.
Call me Rose, or The Rose Dragon. Rose Dragon is someone else entirely.
If you need me for something, please PM me about it. I am having difficulty keeping track of all my obligations.
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2009-10-19, 07:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Who is Pun-Pun?
Fixed it for you.
Seriously Zovc, this is beyond mere old cheddar or even Caciocavallo Podolico. This is the kind of cheese that is not meant to be played, ever.
This is the sort of thing that makes munchkins get sticky pyjamas, huddling in dank caves lined with old character sheets. Do you seriously wish to emulate those pitiful creatures?
It was, and still is, a theoretical exercise. An experiment to see how far you could go with 3.5. By no law of man, god, or DM, should it be ever be brought into play. Making it, or even trying, should be grounds for dismissal from even the most power-gaming of groups or PvP arena. Doing it secretly should get your books burned and your writing hand(s) malleted, if the gods are merciful.
Do. Not. Try.
Thank you and enjoy your game.