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Thread: [3.5] Star Hammer
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2009-11-07, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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[3.5] Star Hammer
OK. I'm trying out an idea for a 'spiked chain' that isn't stupid. Here is my attempt.
Star Hammer (Exotic, two handed)
The star hammer is a spiked ball on a length of chain.
25 gp, 1d6 (Small), 2d4 (Medium) ×2, 5 lb., Bludgeoning and Piercing.
A star hammer has reach, so you can strike opponents 10 feet away with it. In addition, unlike most other weapons with reach, it can be used against an adjacent foe.
You can make trip attacks with the chain. If you are tripped during your own trip attempt, you can drop the chain to avoid being tripped.
When using a star hammer, you get a +2 bonus on opposed attack rolls made to disarm an opponent (including the roll to avoid being disarmed if such an attempt fails).--
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2009-11-07, 03:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Star Hammer
First thing I thought when I saw this thread was Homestar Hammer.
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2009-11-07, 05:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Star Hammer
So morningstar on a chain that's non-finessable, huh? I suppose it's reasonable, though I'd just make it a bludgeoning weapon, so we can avoid that, by RAW, it works fine underwater.
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2009-11-07, 05:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-11-07, 05:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Star Hammer
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2009-11-07, 06:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Star Hammer
The game world trumps the rules. Since you can not separate the spikes from the striking head, you can not separate the Bludgeoning damage from the Piercing damage. The solid Bludgeoning striking head delivers the Piercing spikes to your target. It's like trying to separate the arrow shaft from the arrow head.
If someone tried to tell me they were going to do Piercing damage with a morningstar but not do Bludgeoning damage as well I would say, no. I don't care if RAW says otherwise.
Feel free to do whatever you wish with the weapon I have posted.--
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2009-11-07, 06:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Star Hammer
All you did was refluff a Spiked Chain and make it non-finessable. Congratulations, you barely changed anything!
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2009-11-07, 06:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-11-07, 06:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Star Hammer
I'm not really sure why it's non-finessable. I mean, it would require some strength to use, but so does a bow or sling or throwing dagger or shortsword or handaxe.
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2009-11-07, 06:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Star Hammer
This weapon is well-balanced against other good exotic weapons. I'd certainly accept it in my campaign.
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2009-11-07, 07:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Star Hammer
Would having it finesseable make it overpowered? The only real reason to use one for anything more than flavour is the trip, and trip + finesse is a bizarre combination. I don't think this is a significant balance concern.
Also, are exotic weapons balanced in general? Kama is useless (bad crit, no call for light tripping weapons). Nunchuk is worse than useless (disarms, but doesn't even counteract the penalty for being light). Sai is slightly better than the Nunchuck in that it actually counters its own penalty, but with 1d4 damage and no crit I can't see a valid reason for it. Siangham, worse than useless, absolutely no justification whatsoever. Bastard Sword / waraxe are an improvement, but you're paying a feat for +1 average damage, objectively worse than Weapon Spec, itself a rather weak feat (worth it if you get it for free though). Whip is pretty useless outside a couple CS skilltricks. The five double weapons are useless. The exotic ranged weapons are half decent though.
So, of all the exotic melee weapons in core, there's only two that would be worth using over Martial weapons, and even those two aren't worth a feat. Making Spiked Chain / Star Hammer balanced with them seems like going the wrong direction, it would be much better to try to make them balanced with it.
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2009-11-07, 07:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Star Hammer
Who finesses a Str encouraging weapon?
So, of all the exotic melee weapons in core, there's only two that would be worth using over Martial weapons, and even those two aren't worth a feat. Making Spiked Chain / Star Hammer balanced with them seems like going the wrong direction, it would be much better to try to make them balanced with it.
Well, Gnomes can get Brave Brado Prc to use them well, but that is a specialized build.
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2009-11-07, 07:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Star Hammer
I don't suppose it was intended, but mechanically, the mixed damage types are actually better than being finessable. It beats a few more creatures' DR, lets you damage objects, and you can cast (greater) mighty wallop on it. The drawback only arbitrarily screws over high Dex-based characters who might want to use it for flavour, as if the feat tax and the fact that damage and tripping are Str-based weren't enough.
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2009-11-07, 08:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Star Hammer
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2009-11-07, 08:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Star Hammer
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2009-11-07, 08:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Star Hammer
Are we allowed to put in requests? Because I think you should totally do a reworked HP system next.
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2009-11-07, 08:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Star Hammer
That might just be beyond my scope. :)
I like to play with weapons. Heck, it's the only thing I sketch. :)
Check my Deviant Art page if you like. I am more receptive to sketch requests. :)
Out of curiosity, what are you looking for in a HP system? What is your gripe with the current one? Not that you may not have a completely legitimate gripe with it mind you.--
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2009-11-07, 08:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Star Hammer
I think he's being sarcastic, pointing out that slightly obtuse weaponry is the least of the systems flaws.
Me: I'd get the paladin to help, but we might end up with a kid that believes in fairy tales.
DM: aye, and it's not like she's been saved by a mysterious little girl and a band of real live puppets from a bad man and worse step-sister to go live with the faries in the happy land.
Me: Yeah, a knight in shining armour might just bring her over the edge.
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2009-11-07, 08:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Star Hammer
Hey, I've had odder requests. :)
Weapons are important to me. I've been researching them for 30+ years. My collection of reference books is larger than my city library. I've been sketching them for almost as long. Though my decent work is fairly recent. I have not purchased gaming books because the weapon illustrations were poorly done. I just really like weapons. Heck, there's a bow and a sword within 5' of me. :)--
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2009-11-07, 08:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-11-07, 10:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [3.5] Star Hammer
Last edited by sofawall; 2009-11-07 at 10:23 PM.
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2009-11-07, 10:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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