Larger than Colossal

[PersonMan]

I'm wondering if there's a size category higher than colossal. The thing I want to stat out is insanely huge. It's about twice the height of a medium-size parking lot building.

If you're wondering what it is or if I didn't describe it very well, you can find it here.

[The Dark Fiddler]

I think I remember references to Colossal+ or something.

Maybe from Dracominion? (Or whatever it is)

[Closak]

There's Titanic.

The following is from the Immortals handbook

And one category bigger than Titanic is Macro-fine.
Then Macro-Diminuitive.
It keeps going all the way through the categories again but with Macro at the start.

Then eventually you get to Macro-Titanic.

The next step after that is to start over again with Mega at the start.

Mega-Fine.
Mega-Diminuitive.

And the biggest is Mega-Titanic.

[Eloel]

The size categories, starting from Medium, going up, are;

Medium
Large
Huge
Gargantuan
Colossal
Colossal+
Colossal++
Colossal+++
Colossal++++
Colossal+++++
.
.
.

I believe you get the point

Edit:

Here's proof


Check Great Wyrm, and see Colossal+

[Nate the Snake]

There's Titanic.

The problem with that is that the MM2 has the Titanic template, which makes the base creature Gargantuan. So Titanic-sized creatures are actually smaller than Colossal.

Colossal+ is more fun anyway, since it basically means "so big we don't have a word for it." So a Colossal+ dragon is indescribably huge.

And one category bigger than Titanic is Macro-fine.
Then Macro-Diminuitive.
It keeps going all the way through the categories again but with Macro at the start.

Then eventually you get to Macro-Titanic.

The next step after that is to start over again with Mega at the start.

What would actually be that ridiculously enormous? Sentient planes?

[Arakune]

The problem with that is that the MM2 has the Titanic template, which makes the base creature Gargantuan. So Titanic-sized creatures are actually smaller than Colossal.

Colossal+ is more fun anyway, since it basically means "so big we don't have a word for it." So a Colossal+ dragon is indescribably huge.





What would actually be that ridiculously enormous? Sentient planes?

Sentient ATARS. Something around that from immortal handbook. Either that or simply sentient galaxies...

[jokey665]

I don't think a size category exists to adequately describe the final form of Gurren Lagann.

[chiasaur11]

I don't think a size category exists to adequately describe the final form of Gurren Lagann.

Size category: Awesome.

[Grumman]

I don't think a size category exists to adequately describe the final form of Gurren Lagann.

I believe the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagaan would be a Colossal+++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++ construct.

[SurlySeraph]

What would actually be that ridiculously enormous? Sentient planes?

Well, this one is.

[Volos]

The picture you just showed was something that was probably of Colossal size anyways... check the rules on the sizes, he probably isn't as big as you think. -refering to the picture provided in the first post-

[ericgrau]

Colossal+ just means >colossal.

I'd just continue the pattern for all size modifiers.

[Sstoopidtallkid]

For what needs Mega-titanic size, Mechanus. When it forms into a plane-sized inevitable due to someone killing enough modrons.

[Ormur]

The biggest animal ever known to have existed, the blue whale, is probably the only animal we know of that reached colossal size, being more than 64ft long and weighing more than 125 tons as per d20srd. The largest land dinosaurs might have reached that size category by length but not by size. So everything larger than gargantuan is friking huge.

The size categories for length or height seem to follow 2 to the order of x so if colossal is 64ft+ then colossal+ would be 128ft+ in either length or height, Colossal++ would be 256ft etc.

[Talbot]

So what size would, say, Godzilla be? He's well over 128 feet tall, isn't he?

[Lycanthromancer]

So what size would, say, Godzilla be? He's well over 128 feet tall, isn't he?

Up from the depths
30 stories high
Breathing fire
He stands in the sky
GODZILLA!
GODZILLA!
GODZILLA!

And Godzuki KILL IT WITH FIRE

[AshDesert]

To be honest, the artwork provided looks like a Colossal creature. It might be big enough to qualify as Colossal+/Titanic/whatever you want to call it, but I'd just call it Colossal and leave it at that in that situation.

[ranagrande]

In Munchkin D20, Ludicrous is bigger than Colossal.

[KillianHawkeye]

The picture you just showed was something that was probably of Colossal size anyways... check the rules on the sizes, he probably isn't as big as you think. -refering to the picture provided in the first post-

Judging from the 8 story building that comes up to its waist, I'd say it's in the neighborhood of 150 feet tall. That's significantly bigger than the average range for Colossal-sized creatures in D&D.

Of course, since this is clearly not a D&D-related creature, I would say that you'd use a system that's designed to handle things on that scale. For example, Star Wars Saga Edition has 3 subcategories of the Colossal size which are used for the various starships and things. They are Colossal (frigate), Colossal (cruiser), and Colossal (station). As with D&D's Colossal+ size category, the size penalties stop increasing past the initial Colossal phase, however there are some other aspects of the system which make use of the extra size categories.

[AslanCross]

I believe Godzilla is 100 meters tall by canon. That would be approximately 330 feet.

[Tiki Snakes]

Actually, internets say you are both more-or-less right. The Original version of Godzilla was a mere 50 meters tall, but his less black-and-white successor was 80, and later 100 meters tall.

[root9125]

Another vote for calling it "Ludicrous".

[Nate the Snake]

Well, this one is.

Wow... Just wow.

I love the fact that every other number is nigh-infinite, but its deflection bonus to AC is only +38.

[hamishspence]

The biggest animal ever known to have existed, the blue whale, is probably the only animal we know of that reached colossal size, being more than 64ft long and weighing more than 125 tons as per d20srd. The largest land dinosaurs might have reached that size category by length but not by size. So everything larger than gargantuan is friking huge.

The size categories for length or height seem to follow 2 to the order of x so if colossal is 64ft+ then colossal+ would be 128ft+ in either length or height, Colossal++ would be 256ft etc.

Amphicoelias fragillimus and Bruhathkysaurus are both estimated to exceed 125 short tons. However both are very, very fragmentary, and still somewhat disputed (and the vertebra for Amphicoelias was lost.

The Bowhead whale, at up to 66 ft long and 150 tons in weight, is Colossal by weight, at least.

64 ft for quadrupeds (whales have remnants of the rear legs, even if they don't project outside the body) usually means "to the base of tail"

This could be, for whales, where the "back vertebrae" end and the "tail vertebrae" begin- roughly at the vent.

[Ormur]

Hmmm, yes Bowhead Whales would be colossal too and if those size estimates for the largest dinosaurs are right so would they. Of course the size categories are mostly intended to account for reach so I don't know if the tail of animals with proportionately big ones should be factored in, it can be used as a weapon. I also wonder if the SRD figures are short tons or metric tons. The difference could be significant for determining the size category of Amphicoelias. I always think in metric so when I see the word "ton" I think 1000 kg. Because of the (very annoying) almost exclusive use of WOTC of the imperial system I suppose it's more likely to be 907 kg.

Anyway, colossal seems to be the exception and absolutely the upper limit when it comes to size in the animal kingdom.

[PhoenixRivers]

Hmmm, yes Bowhead Whales would be colossal too and if those size estimates for the largest dinosaurs are right so would they. Of course the size categories are mostly intended to account for reach so I don't know if the tail of animals with proportionately big ones should be factored in, it can be used as a weapon. I also wonder if the SRD figures are short tons or metric tons. The difference could be significant for determining the size category of Amphicoelias. I always think in metric so when I see the word "ton" I think 1000 kg. Because of the (very annoying) almost exclusive use of WOTC of the imperial system I suppose it's more likely to be 907 kg.

Anyway, colossal seems to be the exception and absolutely the upper limit when it comes to size in the animal kingdom.

Not just animals have sizes.

What's the size of the empire state building?

[hamishspence]

Most of the time, when figures are given, they are given for both.

The weight estimates for Amphicoelias were 122 metric tonnes, 135 short tons.

D&D uses the short ton (1 short ton = 2000 pounds)

When it comes to size, one of the problems is that D&D base sizes do not scale at the rate that lengths from nose to base of tail (or from feet to top of head, for bipeds) do.

Resulting in very cramped-looking figures- a Huge eldritch giant from the War of the Dragon Queen set positively towers over its base.

the Colossal dragon miniature, despite the fact that Colossal, and even Colossal+, dragons normally have a 30 ft base, has a 40 ft base.

Possibly as a result of this problem.

If weight is considered only a guideline, the fin whale (at 88 ft long) is also a good candidate for Colossal size. You could put it on a 30 ft base, give it 30 ft reach for both a head slam and a tail slap, and it would still be a feasible Colossal creature.

[hamishspence]

A good example of weight being ignored- the Dragon Magazine 318 dinosaurs. Colossal for a 90 ft Diplodocus is a little overgenerous. Especially when, thanks to recent research on sauropod weight, it was probably in the vicinity of 11 short tons in weight.

Same would apply to Gargantuan for a Giganotosaurus- weight and length estimates are currently around 40-41 ft long and 5 tons for the holotype, and 43.8 ft long and 6 tons for the specimen that they only have a fragment of jawbone for.

Basically- it's T. rex sized in length, and slightly lighter in weight. The longest mounted T. rex is slightly longer at 42 ft compared to the mounted Gigantosaurus in various museums, and there is a T. rex skull even bigger than that of the mounted specimen (59 inches long compared to the 55 inches long of "Sue".

Even within core, some creatures are a little lighter than their size category would indicate- the roc in particular.

[Sstoopidtallkid]

A good example of weight being ignored- the Dragon Magazine 318 dinosaurs. Colossal for a 90 ft Diplodocus is a little overgenerous. Especially when, thanks to recent research on sauropod weight, it was probably in the vicinity of 11 short tons in weight.

Same would apply to Gargantuan for a Giganotosaurus- weight and length estimates are currently around 40-41 ft long and 5 tons for the holotype, and 43.8 ft long and 6 tons for the specimen that they only have a fragment of jawbone for.

Even within core, some creatures are a little lighter than their size category would indicate- the roc in particular.

For fliers, the loss of weight is justified. Especially if they are expected to bear loads, they'll have as few wasted pounds as possible.

As for the errors on dinosaurs, remember the MMI was written several years ago. Paleontology has advanced since then. There may be disparities between the modern numbers and the ones available at the time of printing.

Or WotC could be full of idiots.

[hamishspence]

Or Paizo, in the Diplodocus case.

They also insisted on making T. rex Gargantuan, with a 20 ft space and reach, in Pathfinder.

Wizards at least put Spinosaurus as 60 ft Gargantuan way back in 2002, before the reports on the actual new fossils started being published, confirming an upper length estimate of around 60 ft.

Which is surprisingly prescient on their part.

I can live with flyers being underweight. And the nose to base of tail length given for the roc was 30 ft- close enough to the 32 ft minimum to be given a pass.

Wizards also managed to revise the Deinonychus downward to Medium eventually- in online errata to 3.5.